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mr.arrison wrote:What Weston does in MOB is a part of the overall experience. What Weston is doing wouldn't exist without MOB hitting the notes first, so this isn't really the best argument. He's using the tape deck that records them playing and manipulates accordingly. Not much different than a mellotron (with the exception of no keys..)

...And not much different than manipulating a turntable.

mr.arrison wrote:

scott wrote:HEY, WAIT, ANYBODY EVER SEEN MISSION OF BURMA LIVE? THE STUFF BOB WESTON DOES WITH THE TAPE LOOPS, WHILE SOUNDING AWESOME, IS TOTALLY NON-CREATIVE, NON-MUSICAL, IT'S NOT AN INSTRUMENT.

What Weston does in MOB is a part of the overall experience. What Weston is doing wouldn't exist without MOB hitting the notes first, so this isn't really the best argument. He's using the tape deck that records them playing and manipulates accordingly. Not much different than a mellotron (with the exception of no keys..)

The point is, manipulation of source material that you personally did not generate, this can be a great thing, and can be "musical" and the machine used for manipulation can certainly be deemed an "instrument".

Here's another example... the douchebag in Rage Against The Machine, when he scratches his pick against his roundwound strings to make a sound that deliberately simulates the sound made by a DJ scratching a record, when he does that, does his guitar cease to be an instrument? Of course not. But using what appears to be zom-zom's "logic", if you were to scratch a pick against strings to make that sound, you are using an instrument, but if you produce virtually the same sound by scratching a record, that's not an instrument.

This is all just an exercise in silliness, isn't it?

The bottom line is, who gives a fuck about anything, right? Let's just all not give a fuck.

Calm down children. You're all good kids, in your own ways.

Not really. There are some first-class idiots on here.

If "turntabling" needs such vehement apologists, it must be a Great and Wonderful Art.

SKAKKITY SKAKITTY WHUZZY WHUZZY WHUZZ

Bravo!

BadComrade wrote:

Skronk wrote:Who knows? Steel Dan? I'd rather listen to a dental drill.

Every band you'll ever be will suck. I'm not just say this because you don't happen to like Steely Dan; I'm saying it because I can tell you have no appreciation for song composition, since you're "dissing" a real band (who created their own -unique- sound), and giving "props" to some guy with a couple of turntables, who's probably SAMPLING STEELY DAN'S MUSIC, and you don't even know it.


Teens... *sigh*

That's one of the most screwed up things I've ever read. I am "dissing" Steely Dan, not song composition. I couldn't care less who a good DJ samples. I've heard samples turned into good music from original songs that are shit. And fuck you for saying every band I'll ever be in will suck, I didn't attack your endeavors.

Dickhead.... *sigh*

Man for people who claim to be so open-minded about music, you all are a bunch of real fuddy-duddys

zom-zom wrote:SKAKKITY SKAKITTY WHUZZY WHUZZY WHUZZ

Calm down zom-zom. It's just the feedback from your hearing-aid.

Colonel Panic wrote:Man for people who claim to be so open-minded about music, you all are a bunch of real fuddy-duddys

Yeah. Hey, cool avatar!

zom-zom wrote:If "turntabling" needs such vehement apologists, it must be a Great and Wonderful Art.

SKAKKITY SKAKITTY WHUZZY WHUZZY WHUZZ

Bravo!

don't rock dorks have vehement apologists for shit from Jass morons? don't Jass morons have vehement apologists for shit from classical snobs?


six of one....

ChristopherM wrote:

zom-zom wrote:SKAKKITY SKAKITTY WHUZZY WHUZZY WHUZZ

Calm down zom-zom. It's just the feedback from your hearing-aid.

I shall "calm down" if you clean the feces out of your diaper.

Ha-ha. That's funny huh? The fact that you're younger than me must mean that you're a baby! And that you poop in your pants!