Running through the first four albums this morning. I've dug on Zen Arcade for a long-ass time, but i think lately i'm realizing that i like a lot of the songs on New Day Rising better. I mean "Turn on the News" is legend, but "I Apologize" and "Books About UFOs" own me.

To be honest, i haven't heard a damn thing after Everything Falls Apart.

You?

anyone who claims anything other than Zen Arcade needs a reality check.

the three cd complete outtakes is a must. a great bit of history.

fav (best?) album of the decade.

i would name Celebrated Summer as my favorite song though, albums aside...

What strange land is Neo-Tokyo, WI, where Everything Falls Apart came out after New Day Rising?

I'll go with New Day Rising too, for compactness and consistency and ferocity. Plus "Celebrated Summer," yeah.

Heresy Warning!

Warehouse is my favourite.

I know it's not a popular choice, and certainly Zen Arcade is a close second, but for me it's Warehouse.

Apart from the title track, I don't like New Day Rising much at all.

ctrl-s wrote:What strange land is Neo-Tokyo, WI, where Everything Falls Apart came out after New Day Rising?

Did i fuck that up? Guh, sorry.

There are periodic gaps and farts in my brain's punk rock database that stem from my staunch refusal to remove all the information i gathered about hair metal in my high school days (and there's a LOT of it).

i'll go one better and declare a state of rank!

zen arcade
new day rising
flip your wig
metal circus
candy apple gray
everything falls apart
warehouse
land speed record

'new day rising' is more concise than 'zen arcade' but there are times when the incredibly atonal recording buries the songs. also, 'zen arcade' has so many of the band's best songs that it pulls ahead by a nose. 'newest industry' is probably my favourite. well worthy of their rivals the minutemen actually. 'flip your wig' is another belter but the production probably isn't grubby enough. they probably got it just right on 'metal circus', which although only an ep, has some of their strongest material - especially when you add the 'eight miles high' single. 'candy..' is under-rated because of the albums that preceded it and also because it's out and out pop. it's better than the bloated 'warehouse', which suffers from hart and mould's reluctance to drop the weaker material. 'land speed record' is an unlistenable exercise in velocity and i can't be bothered with that kind of thing anymore tbh.

i'd recommend the bands that came out of the du, hart's nova mob and mould's sugar but not before buying their best solo albums first. both hart and mould released an incredible acoustic album after the split - 'intolerance' and 'workbook' respectively.

First record: Statues 45

and 'in a free land'?

'statues' is PiL lite really isn't it? nice groove though.

tommydski wrote:
i'd recommend the bands that came out of the du, hart's nova mob and mould's sugar but not before buying their best solo albums first. both hart and mould released an incredible acoustic album after the split - 'intolerance' and 'workbook' respectively.

This is crazy talk of the craziest kind.

Workbook yes, but 'Intolerance' is all filler, no killer. Two good songs (Senses, 2541), and he even managed to fuck one of those up (2541) by re-recording it with electric guitar when clearly the original single version was as good as it was going to get.

Sugar were CRAP.

You are CRAZY in the ears.

Grant still plays shows in Mpls. fairly regularly, and it's usually surprisingly good stuff.