Unofficial first record by Joy Division.

The one I'm talking about has the 5-song demo appended to it.

those songs are hard to listen to, for sure. but i don't think they're crap because they were the beginnings of something great.

I thought the Warsaw demos were done for RCA... Anyway, it's their best suff as far as I'm concerned. The best versions of each of those songs... my favorite being Novelty. Less cold production... more "heart".

It's The first stuff I ever heard by J.D... back around 1987-88 when I was in 6th grade (Thanks, Paul Mcafferey's brother Collin)

The first song I learned on guitar was "The Drawback".

NOT CRAP!

TheMilford wrote:I thought the Warsaw demos were done for RCA...

These are two different things you are talking about. The RCA demo's ("The Drawback", "Interzone", "Shadowplay") are great, the Warsaw demo (back when the band was still called "Warsaw") much less so, but listening to them will probably make you appreciate the incredible development they made during the fall of 1977 (they changed drummers right after the recording of the demo). Their An ideal for Living (december 1977, which contains the song "Warsaw") is already an Herculean effort.

In general I like the cruder, non-album recordings of Joy Division (as documented on Still and Substance) better then anything they ever did with Hannett.

BadComrade wrote:Ian used to hang out at the RCA offices for some reason, so people speculated that they might sign to RCA. Even though bootlegs sometimes call certain recordings "RCA demos", they're wrong.

I seem to remember the recordings on disc three(?) of the Heart and Soul boxset being referenced as "the RCA demos." I don't have it handy right now, so I could be all wrong.

You also always see people saying that Joy Division were once called "Warsaw", but I've read interviews with Bernard Sumner saying they were never called Warsaw. I tend to believe him, seeing as how he was actually in the band and everything.

He talks about it here.

So which record is it that they pulled because of the producer adding synthesizers?

well fine..
but if this is the tracklist..

01 All OF this For You
02 Leaders Of Men
03 They Walked In Line
04 Failures
05 Novelty
06 No Love Lost
07 Transmission
08 Living In The Ice Age
09 InterZonE
10 WarsaW
11 ShadoWpLaY

then this is the only joy division album that i enjoy.

i think it's pretty great. althought that les bains douches live album owns it in terms of "rockin-out-ness".

connor wrote:So which record is it that they pulled because of the producer adding synthesizers?

This is the one, but I think contractual difficulties also played a role in them pulling it.