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Okay, I searched and found in another thread that the Beyerdynamic M201N and M201TG are supposedly exactly the same, but that the TG has internal shockmounting (or something like that).
So, I just wanna get this confirmed by atleast one more source cause I have to order this thing and don't wanna go through the hassle of returning it.
So.. sound and performance wise, is the TG identical to the N?
And since I know you are all such friendly folks, I know you won't rip my head off for dragging this up again. Appreciate it!

And yes, hello - I'm new here. Recently graduated audio engineer from the SAE Institute here in Sweden (meaning I am currently completely fucked financially). I also got a serious fetish for headphones. That's how much fun I am.

Welcome.

TG is short for Tour Group (as in live). Apart from the shock mounting, the grills are often tougher. This could have an effect on the sound, but I suspect not so much with the M201 due to the design. Personally, I wouldn't worry, plus if you are using it on drums (snare) then the extra ruggedness will be a good thing.

If you are tight for money, consider a Revox M3500.

Roddy

Well thank you dear sir - and thanks for the informative reply.

Are the Revox ones pretty much identical in sound? Anything that differs? I know this has been brought up before, but the more views & opinions, the better.

Hello vaka,

What did you think of SAE institute? I was interested in the Amsterdam branch. I'm probably going to visit the facility in the fall.

They don't Pro Tools you to death do they?

Hey bkuras-

Overall it was a good experience. I had a pretty good idea of things before I started, but it was an excellent education for filling in the gaps that were + they teach you some neat little tips n tricks.
I have no idea how SAE is in other countries though, I can only speak for the Solna branch.
What I didn't like is that some topics like noise reduction & the manufacturing process of cd's for example, get way too much time out of the schedule. The education is only 1 year (unless you go on to getting your bachelors & masters degree but that year (year 2 - bachelors degree) is mostly economics and the business side of things) so I think they have to prioritize a bit better.
Sure, reading about noise reduction should be included, but it shouldn't get 2 full weeks. It's not exactly often you get a gig working with noise reduction, and IF you do want to work with that, you're definetely gonna need more than a couple of weeks of theory in school.

So yeah, I can find several things to complain about, but in the end I've learned a lot. I've always worked exclusively with DAW's and at SAE they teach you a lot about analogue consoles and the week before you graduate you get some pretty tough signal flow excersises you have to complete. We even got a Neotek Elite (same as Electrical Audio uses) we get to use.
I also must add that SAE Sweden got some excellent teachers and I have no idea how good teachers in other countries are.

They ProTools you to death, but I like PT and it's definetely a good program to be able to use. I can't afford getting a tape machine, so PT is yay for me.

I've asked about the m201, and the folks on the board told me the Revox m3500 and the Beyer m201 are pretty much identical... the Revox's impedence is 600 ohms as opposed to 200 with the beyer, it dosen't have a humbuck coil, and it omits an LCR filterwhich is present in the 201 and tames the response at 4 khz.

I still don't know too much when it comes to the technical aspects of mics, but thats what homerecording.com says...

vaka wrote: I can't afford getting a tape machine

Yes you can.

WoundedFoot wrote:I've asked about the m201, and the folks on the board told me the Revox m3500 and the Beyer m201 are pretty much identical... the Revox's impedence is 600 ohms as opposed to 200 with the beyer, it dosen't have a humbuck coil, and it omits an LCR filterwhich is present in the 201 and tames the response at 4 khz.

I still don't know too much when it comes to the technical aspects of mics, but thats what homerecording.com says...

Cool, thanks!

m.koren wrote:

vaka wrote: I can't afford getting a tape machine

Yes you can.

Purchasing one - maaaybe, getting it properly setup & serviced - I have my doubts. If I can't get a high quality 2"/24-track setup I just don't see the point. Don't get me wrong, I like the sound of tape, but my financial situation just won't allow it right now.

vaka wrote:

m.koren wrote:

vaka wrote: I can't afford getting a tape machine

Yes you can.

If I can't get a high quality 2"/24-track setup I just don't see the point.

Are you kidding ? Yes, that might be an expensive proposition right there (2" 24 track) but, there's lot's of good machines for under 2 grand. People are giving away tape machines right now in some cases. A computer setup and all the associated hardware, that CAN actually record 16 or more tracks at once, is not all that cheap. And neither is a powerful computer which, as I'm sure you know, you'll need when it's time to mix and you find yourself dealing with bucket's 'o tracks and a squillion plugins. Having said all that, I know all about being heavily in debt after recording school so, I can sympathize.