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Fuck the judge. Fuck the jury. Fuck the RIAA most of all. It'll be so nice when the music industry is destroyed.

Oh, and fuck Metallica too, just for good measure.

Just out of curiosity, why doesn't the record industry go after sites like bittorrent or soulseek? Seems like they've gone after the people on Kazaa before.

Or maybe I should ask, how long will it be until they go after these sites?

Or is the technology different in these instances?

This is fucking BS. A single mother who makes $36k/year has to pay $9,250 per song for "damages?" What kind of damages is the RIAA having for losing the sales of 24 songs? What a bunch of fucking crybaby, selfish douchebags. Where's the sense of proportionality? We're talking about 24 digital songs here and this woman's life is ruined.

Hey kid, I'm a Minnesotan. Stop all the downloadin'.

Loose data transfer costs lives.

Pure L wrote:Just out of curiosity, why doesn't the record industry go after sites like bittorrent or soulseek? Seems like they've gone after the people on Kazaa before.

Or maybe I should ask, how long will it be until they go after these sites?

Or is the technology different in these instances?

The technology is different, yes.

Althuogh Bittorrent is a peer-peer protocol, it still relies on server/client relationships for the setting up and organization of the peer network. The servers that host the bittorrent files and manage the peer-to-peer transactions are called trackers.

The MPAA and RIAA have indeed gone after Bittorrent trackers and have even shut many of them down. There used to be a huge tracker based in Eastern Europe called SuprNova.org, which distributed thousands of torrents and managed the delivery of a motherload of music files, commercial movies and television series.

In 2004, SuprNova's owners were forced to shut it down due to threats of expensive legal action by the MPAA and RIAA. This was the first really high-profile case of a bittorrent tracker being forced out of business by the Recording and Cinema industries, and it became a moral rallying point for the P2P filesharing community in general. Many new trackers opened up in the wake of SuprNova's demise, a few of them adopting the suffix "-nova" as a show of solidarity and an homage to the fallen giant. Among these are Mininova, iPodnova, Bitenova, AnimeNova...

Last year the domain "www.suprnova.org" was taken over by the world's largest Bittorrent tracker, The Pirate Bay who have vowed to reopen the tracker in Sweden, which country doesn't have legislation forbidding bittorrent filesharing.

Since the early 00's, many bittorrent trackers have been threatened or sued into oblivion. But new ones keep popping up all the time, faster than the old ones can be taken down. Most newer trackers require user accounts, authentication and some of them allow new users by invitation only. The admins of most big trackers closely monitor the IP addresses of their clients in an effort to ensure that user accounts are not being creataed by the authorities in the interest of legally ensnaring them or their members.

I don't know much aobut SoulSeek. It's a pretty shitty system for sharing, so I never really got into using it. Users of P2P networks like Kazaa and Gnutella get busted often because the way those systems are designed, it's easy to browse users' IP addresses and to peruse their list of shared files looking for material that violates copyrights.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Music isn't free? Hmmm, I thought we established it was.........like....8 or 9 years ago. pandora's box people, pandora's box.

She should not have denied that it was her account. That's kind of a stupid defense, unless she was operating a wireless access point or something. If she was, she could always say that somebody else must have been logging onto her wireless router without her knowledge and running Kazaa.

Of course, if the plaintiffs presented evidence that she had all those same 1000+ songs on her computer's hard drive, it could be a bit of a problem.

But she's an idiot for using Kazaa to share music in the first place. These days it's all about the Bittorrent and the RapidShare, SendSpace, MegaUpload, etc.

Colonel Panic wrote:Since the early 00's, many bittorrent trackers have been threatened or sued into oblivion. But new ones keep popping up all the time, faster than the old ones can be taken down. Most newer trackers require user accounts, authentication and some of them allow new users by invitation only. The admins of most big trackers closely monitor the IP addresses of their clients in an effort to ensure that user accounts are not being creataed by the authorities in the interest of legally ensnaring them or their members.

It just seems that whenever they start cracking down on P2P stuff, a new program or protocol comes out, and stuff continues to be shared. Whatever reestrictions are put into place are worked around, and then the RIAA or MPAA tries to go after them.

I wonder why software companies don't really do anything about file sharing. The industry isn't as big, but you can find seriously expensive software ($1000 plus) through P2P. I've heard people say it's because it just builds a user base for the applications anyway, and then when people start working professionally with an app, either they or their employer buys it. But I'm not so sure how much I believe that, seems more like wishful thinking than anything. You have any idea on this Colonel?