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Tory Green Paper: " Work For Welfare"

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Contrast and compare:

A) Workhouse Test Act

The Workhouse Test Act also known as the General Act or Knatchbull's Act[1] was poor relief legislation passed by the British government by Sir Edward Knatchbull in 1723. The 'workhouse test' was that a person who wanted to receive poor relief had to enter a workhouse and undertake a set amount of work. The test was intended to prevent irresponsible claims on a parish's poor rate.

Knatchbulls legislation For Amending the Laws relating to Settlement, Employment and Relief of the Poor marked the first emergence of the workhouse test although this principle was adopted more fully after the passing of the Poor Law Amendment Act.


B) Cameron's "Work For Welfare"

Under the proposals, a Tory government would set a new, two-year limit for jobless welfare claimants, after which time they would have to join a mandatory, year-long community work programme - cleaning streets and public buildings of graffiti and chewing gum for example - or face losing their payments.

The two year period would be cumulative, not just continuous periods out of work, in an attempt to stop people signing off for short periods only to go back on benefits.

New, privately-run, "back-to-work" centres would also be created around the country to offer the jobless help in finding work and making job applications.

They would be expected to spend most of the working week at the centres.

After two years, if they were still jobless and refused community work, they would lose their benefits.

Tory Green Paper: " Work For Welfare"

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Ok I think I'm playing devil's advocate here but to be honest I'm not certain - but here goes anyway:

I am aware that corporate fraud and tax evasion is hugely more damaging to our economy than benefit fraud/abuse.

However

Benefit fraud/abuse is taking the piss out of the rest of the working society at large.
Why should taxpayers pay for the fags and satellite dishes of people who can't be arsed working?

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Given that the kind of tasks that the unemployed would be carrying out are exactly the kind of tasks currently being performed by people accorded community service punishments, isn't this proposal tantamount to saying that if you're out of work for two years, you are the same as a criminal?
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This proposed plan is nothing but busy work. It's a sad sign that in order to receive a welfare check, the government feels the need to step in and coerce labor from it's citizens. This looks like another temporary, half-assed solution to an ongoing problem, when wages are still stagnating.
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If it has a purpose other than 'busy work' then, yes, it's a good idea. If it gives someone experience to better compete in the job market then, yes, there's a purpose to it and it'll provide society and the individual with some net benefit.

There has to be some context applied too, though. In areas of high unemployment it would be unfair to lump the real jobseekers with the habitual benefit claimants. Also we have a situation where there are families that are 2nd and 3rd generation who have never worked. Now that's a cycle that has to be broken.

I could always do with my bins being emptied a bit more regularly.
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Josef K wrote:If it has a purpose other than 'busy work' then, yes, it's a good idea. If it gives someone experience to better compete in the job market then, yes, there's a purpose to it and it'll provide society and the individual with some net benefit.


How could it give competitive job experience if the state decides the work you're going to do? This leaves no lasting benefit.
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