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it didn't take them terribly long to turn to crap (and continually getting crappier still), but their early stuff makes me say "NOT CRAP"...

NOT CRAP up to and including Opus Dei, the album which started their slide into mediocrity (and novelty cover versions, a trick that got old pretty fast). I think they're better than they're given credit for being, but I'm including a waffle factor of 3, because they've really gotten pretty bad.

I used to dig on em but haven't paid attention to anything newer.

BUMPA friend is going out with a Slovenian girl and she mentioned this band. The new stuff Ive encountered is rubbish but the 'life is life song is pretty good.

well maybe I just don't get their artistic value, but all in all I would say people in Nazi uniforms are CRAP!

Wheel wrote:bassdriver wrote:well maybe I just don't get their artistic value, but all in all I would say people in Nazi uniforms are CRAP!After a brief glance through either their allmusic entry or wiki I read they used an anti-nazi war artist for their early art work.I don't want to start a discussion whether they are nazis or not. this has been discussed enough here in the 80/90ties. I don't doubt that there's an artistic concept behind this. I just think it's idiotic to wear nazi uniforms on stage and grunt some german blood and honour lyrics.

yeah, if anything they're more pseudo-nazi...like they flirt with the imagery enough but don't sport any swastikas or the like that i've ever seen...the impression i get is a self-made regime...

bassdriver wrote:well maybe I just don't get their artistic value, but all in all I would say people in Nazi uniforms are CRAP!After a brief glance through either their allmusic entry or wiki I read they used an anti-nazi war artist for their early art work.

bassdriver wrote:Wheel wrote:bassdriver wrote:well maybe I just don't get their artistic value, but all in all I would say people in Nazi uniforms are CRAP!After a brief glance through either their allmusic entry or wiki I read they used an anti-nazi war artist for their early art work.I don't want to start a discussion whether they are nazis or not. this has been discussed enough here in the 80/90ties. I don't doubt that there's an artistic concept behind this. I just think it's idiotic to wear nazi uniforms on stage and grunt some german blood and honour lyrics.I just thought I'd mention it. I wouldn't really be all that interested in starting up that kind of discussion. They obviously flirt with that kind of Wagnerian/Teutonic kind of image/sound but I wouldn't go and throw 'Nazi' at them. I don't really know that much about the band anyway.