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Right; capacitance is impacted by the surface area of the conductors and the distance between them.

I thought you were supposed to have buffered pedals like tuners at the beginning of the signal chain.

TylerSavage wrote:Wire has capacitance, and the capacitance in your cables & long wire runs (think of all the wiring in a pedal)I'd clarify by saying that CABLES have capacitance, not wire. Guitar cables are shielded and the gap between the center conductor and the shield acts like a capacitor. Single wires dont do this. So its really more about the length of the cables between the guitar and board, between all the boxes on the board, and between board and amp. Also all the wiring in a pedal wont really affect much. You're only concerned about the bypass wiring, which is generally a few inches of single conductor wire.To the OP: as suggested add a buffer at the end of the chain if thats what it takes to fix the problem. Could be a dedicated buffer as was posted, could be a Boss/DOD/whatever pedal that you dont turn on, etc.Re: a boost to run "always on" I have made a bunch of stuff that includes always-on Super Hard On circuits. Easy, breezy, beautiful shit.

Yep - Belle Epoch Deluxe is in Trails mode so is always "on" so my thought is it should act like a buffer but when I put the tuner at the start of the chain the tone is darker and less zingy until I turn the Holy Grail on...

Hi allBuilding a pedal board for a band I'm touring with and it's introduced me to the world of buffers and I don't get it.I tried out this routing:Guitar > old Pearl Compressor > Ernie Ball Volume Pedal > Fulltone Fulldrive > weird Super Hard On clone > Boss Tuner (so I can mute to tune but leave the echoes going) > Belle Epoch Echoplex thing > EHX Holy Grail verb > Lehle ABY > 2 ampsI started noticing turning the Holy Grail on was noticeably boosting my signal and making it sound better. A bit of reading suggested this is because the effect being 'on' was buffering the signal and giving me back some lost frequencies. But I don't always have the Grail on so I put the Boss Tuner last (because it's buffered right?) and it fixed it across the set-up - the Holy Grail no longer boosts anything and it all sounds pretty nice. But now the Tuner is at the end of the chain so I can't do sneaky tune-ups while the Echoplex is gurgling away.1. I don't get why the Tuner fixes it2. Is there another way to do this?(and 3. Can someone recommend a decent boost pedal to run 'always on' into my HH combo? So it gives it the same 'zing' you get above 7 on the volume but without rendering me deaf for 3 weeks after a gig)

Riff Magnum wrote:Bit of a tangent, but I've also heard the Belle Epoch Deluxe will flip your phase if using it in wet/dry or stereo setups. Only reason i haven't gotten one, because those things sound legit.I think there are a few pedals that do that. Anybody?

Boombats wrote:I thought you were supposed to have buffered pedals like tuners at the beginning of the signal chain.You'd want one at the end of your chain if you're driving a 50 ft cable into your amp.

Bit of a tangent, but I've also heard the Belle Epoch Deluxe will flip your phase if using it in wet/dry or stereo setups. Only reason i haven't gotten one, because those things sound legit.

Just wanna give a shout that FM hank d makes a buffer. Like the fact that it's got an on/off switch so you can hear how much its actually doing.https://www.rattlesnakecables.com/products/buffer/

In general, it's good to have a buffered pedal near the beginning of your signal and then another at the very end if you have a punch of pedals. There are exceptions to this. Some pedals sound way different before vs after a buffer. A rangemaster or fuzz face sounds best hitting your pickups first. Same with a volume pedal with a higher pot value. I'd put a 250k before the buffer and a 25k after. That Pearl Compressor probably has a buffered output when bypassed.In your setup above, a 25k Ernie Ball *might* work better where it's placed...Is the Belle Epoch set for "trails mode"?