I never liked Pavement. I found a copy of "Terror Twilight" in a pile of CDs in a trash bag on the street and listened to it... One of the worst albums I've ever wasted time listening to.

As for me... the biggest stand out is Radiohead. For some reason I liked Radiohead into my early 20s but all of the sudden maybe Idk... 6 or 7 years ago I can't listen to it (or any music like this, really) anymore. It's so whiny and kind of lazy. No real melodies... just like desperate moo'ing into a mic over some ambient chords and a muted drum set. Whoops.

I have a thing about reaching an age where you'll never love a band and later hate them. It's a different age for everyone, but just that the young pattern of loving something (New Kids on the Block?) and later being embarrassed by it goes away. We all like things less or more as we evolve, but straight up rejecting something we thought was really cool seems to go away as our tastes mature.

One band that got this reversal from me, late in my musical evolution is Lucero. As a 19 year old, I thought Lucero was so cool. Now they seem like a ridiculous caricature to me.

I still really like Pavement, and probably never should meet Malkmus for that reason. I'm also probably one of very few Radiohead fans on this board. They seem to have reached a point of taste-maker backlash the way IPA's and David Foster Wallace have.

More to the point, there's probably a list I could conjure of embarrassingly terrible music I liked between the ages of 10 and 16 but I don't think that's quite what this is about.

I used to really dislike U2. Not much has changed overall but I've come to really like Zooropa, and bits of the albums either side of it. Zooropa sounds like the album people describe OK Computer as being.

I don't listen to a ton of heavy stuff in general anymore, but I've really turned on Converge. Loved them up until around Jane Doe, tolerated a few albums of 'ok guys time to maybe mix it up a little', and now I find it all to be screechy annoying crap. Probably the worst offender of the loudness wars too.

I thought Lucero was so cool. Now they seem like a ridiculous caricature to me.

A drummer I knew went to high school and maybe jammed around with that guy. I guess he was a typical Jawbreaker-loving punk kid and seemingly overnight, got a trucker cap and really started playing up the southern thing (they were both from Memphis).

I didn't hate them or anything, but I did not care for anything by The Cure until I heard Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me. Then I heard The Head on the Door, and that was pretty great too. So maybe I just like the more 'poppier' Cure?

jason from volo wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:06 am It wasn't until I heard Camper Van Beethoven's full album cover of Tusk (which I didn't really hear until 10 years after it was released, maybe 2013 or so) that I decided to give them another chance. CVB's Tusk isn't particularly great, but it made me interested enough in hearing the originals, so I bought the original and almost immediately fell in love with it. Buckingham's songs on that album are really quite messed up. So I ended up getting obsessed with them including the Peter Green stuff.

This example reminds me of a common experience (not sure if it's yours) where punk rock affiliation forbids listening to certain artists in earnest. I didn't allow myself to take Pink Floyd seriously because of some vague notion of punk rock rules. Aging past the point of caring about that non-existent rule book allowed me to investigate so much interesting music in my 20's, including some indulgent classic rock, hippy folk, weird pop and electronic music.

It's weird because now when I listen to bands like Scream, Minutemen, or Meat Puppets, or even Television for that matter it's clear that a lot of people making music in the punk rock spirit of rebellion were totally unafraid of incorporating so many of those supposedly forbidden elements. They were adventurously doing it while I was like 5 years old. I guess to bring it back to the point of the thread, being kind of a hardcore kid around the turn of the millennium seems to mean eventually changing my mind on almost everything which turned out to be incredibly fun.

Fleetwood Mac and Humble Pie are two 70's band I severely disliked, but have recently enjoyed outside the context of bullshit radio programming.

When expressing dislike for Fleetwood Mac, people would always try turning onto their early stuff pre Buckingham/Nicks, which to me is even worse.
Awful psych blues dribble.

I've always thought Peter Frampton was extremely goofy, but Humble Pie's "Town and Country" album is excellent.

There's a lot of "Classic Rock" that I avoided because I thought it was just girl chasing, pseudo-stadium rock at the time. Cheap Trick and Thin Lizzy come to mind as "classic rock" bands that I only began to love as an adult.

Some of it remains completely intolerable, like Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles. Ain't no shining that turd.

Frankie99 wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:11 pm There's a lot of "Classic Rock" that I avoided because I thought it was just girl chasing, pseudo-stadium rock at the time. Cheap Trick and Thin Lizzy come to mind as "classic rock" bands that I only began to love as an adult.

Some of it remains completely intolerable, like Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles. Ain't no shining that turd.

My partner course corrected me with some pretty awesome stuff from Thin Lizzy. Phil Lynott is super cool and a great writer.

The Eagles are just terrible.

jason from volo wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:37 pm

Frankie99 wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:11 pm Some of it remains completely intolerable, like Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles. Ain't no shining that turd.

I more or less used to think the same way about Fleetwood Mac, and I fully understand why those two bands would and should be associated with each other. But, yikes, the Eagles pretty much just flat out suck and yet I've grown to love Fleetwood Mac.

My two possible explanations: Fleetwood/McVie make up a very good rhythm section, and Lindsey Buckingham might actually be insane.

Lindsey Buckingham is nutso. Within the context of the band his writing was great, but as soon as whatever cohesion that band had started to erode and he was trying to produce the band, everything got more shittier.
Agreed on the rhythm section.

On the whole, I think that their self titled and Rumors were really good albums. The rest is pretty corny.