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Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:34 pm
by AttackChimp
I believe Flipper is perfect, but then some asshole who's really into Steely Dan tells me I'm fucked in the head to think it. IMO, Donald Fagan is a really fucked up guy who got coked up and diminished excellent musicians to achieve something he personally believed to be perfect. Drum machines are a thing because this fucking tart (Fagan) needed a snare hit in a place where only a machine can put it. Yeah, Steely Dan and Donald Fagan have a few songs that aren't completely lifeless, but almost everything Flipper did rollicked. Flipper is perfect. Steely Dan isn't.
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:43 pm
by Wood Goblin
A while ago, I listened to an interview with FM Steve in which (quoting a friend) he remarked something like, “The dollar bins are full of perfectly performed records.”
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:56 pm
by GuyLaCroix
I like both. Guess I'm a gooch.
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:32 pm
by eephus
Wood Goblin wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:43 pm
A while ago, I listened to an interview with FM Steve in which (quoting a friend) he remarked something like, “The dollar bins are full of perfectly performed records.”
fact
i'm always a lot happier when i am surprised than i am when i get exactly what i want
that goes for records i buy or shows i attend but double for anything i'm involved in making
i try not to defend steely dan, whom i love, but i just think it's pointless and i don't care about "changing hearts" in that area.
i DO think their studio methodology was not exactly about perfecting anything--it was about using ultracompetent studio musicians and figuring out how to tease surprises out of them. which they often did
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:55 pm
by ErickC
Perfection is the fart I let out in the car earlier that prompted my mom to crack the windows.
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:10 pm
by penningtron
A friend of a friend was trying to make a convincing case to me about a lot of Hard Bop stuff I'm not super familiar with. I looked some up, and my first thought was "this sounds like a bandleader who fines members for hitting wrong notes."
I guess I just prefer weirder stuff with mistakes and accidents.
eephus wrote:
i DO think their studio methodology was not exactly about perfecting anything--it was about using ultracompetent studio musicians and figuring out how to tease surprises out of them. which they often did
Yeah. My takeaway for the notorious 'Peg' guitar solo sessions is they went with the first guy who
didn't give them a typical jazzbo solo.
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:54 pm
by LuciousSandwich
penningtron wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:10 pm
A friend of a friend was trying to make a convincing case to me about a lot of Hard Bop stuff I'm not super familiar with. I looked some up, and my first thought was "this sounds like a bandleader who fines members for hitting wrong notes."
I guess I just prefer weirder stuff with mistakes and accidents.
eephus wrote:
i DO think their studio methodology was not exactly about perfecting anything--it was about using ultracompetent studio musicians and figuring out how to tease surprises out of them. which they often did
Yeah. My takeaway for the notorious 'Peg' guitar solo sessions is they went with the first guy who
didn't give them a typical jazzbo solo.
All kinds of distortion here:
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:36 pm
by Kniferide
LuciousSandwich wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:54 pm
Thats a lot of really short recordings, man!
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:09 am
by zorg
I fucking hate Steely Dan. I hate them even more since I’ve been confronted with their critical reassessment. There is nothing necessarily wrong with polished music not by Steely Dan. Flipper is probably a bit too unhinged and scattershot to approach perfection. Perhaps the Ramones? That’s kind of the “perfect” punk band.
Re: Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:00 am
by ChudFusk
Ramones put out a lot of dross. Flipper's not perfect but they are in comparison to Steely D. Dollar bins are subjective; they depend on the tastes of the market and the shopkeep, but I've discovered diamonds in there so sometimes it's good when treasure gets treated like trash.