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Monument: Berlin Holocaust Memorial

Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:42 pm
by Hosoi_Archive

Monument: Berlin Holocaust Memorial

Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:44 pm
by Cranius_Archive
Almost as good as the Vietnam Wall*, in terms of being a fitting memorial.

Although there was debate in Germany about a company who provided anti-vandal paint , for the stones, that had also profited from slave(jewish) labour during the war.

Not crap.


*in my mind, one of the greatest pieces of architecture in the world.

Monument: Berlin Holocaust Memorial

Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:59 pm
by Angry_Dragon_Archive
Ted Turner's crappy news company wrote:Its detractors have slammed the design -- an open graveyard-like field of rectangular charcoal-gray pillars -- as ugly


It looks like CRAP

Monument: Berlin Holocaust Memorial

Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:30 pm
by GravityWave_Archive
Reminds me of the memorial at Treblinka, with rocks of different sizes for all the different towns that were all brought there. If I remember correctly it's somewhere around 17,000 rocks and stones.

It's hard to judge memorial sites without having seen them in person, but such is Crap/Not Crap.

I say Crap, it's rather distasteful and opposes a lot of the ideals that are important to survivors. Ugly and unimpressive.

Monument: Berlin Holocaust Memorial

Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:32 pm
by Cranius_Archive
Angry_Dragon wrote:
Ted Turner's crappy news company wrote:Its detractors have slammed the design -- an open graveyard-like field of rectangular charcoal-gray pillars -- as ugly


It looks like CRAP


True, but it has to be an improvement on the memorial at Bergen-Belsen, that was next to the town where I lived when I was seven or eight.

At Belsen there was a stone memorial in empty field surrounded by a pine forest, hidden from any view, with a tiny kiosk-sized museum on one side.

One day my mum asked our german cleaning lady, who had lived in the village next to the camp during the war, wether she knew what was going on there. She said that she didn't, but when the Jews arrived on trains at Belsen she would go, along with other local people, to throw onion and potato skins at them. Because that's what you did then.

Now that's crap.

Heimat now available on DVD (The best TV series I've ever seen).

P.S. Sorry, I hope I haven't Hitlered this thread.

Monument: Berlin Holocaust Memorial

Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 2:39 am
by Hosoi_Archive
Why shouldn't it be ugly?

Not that this one is ugly. It's good.

It reminds me of something that has nothing to do with this.

Claes Oldenburg had this idea once. I saw the sketch.

It was an intersection with an enormous concrete block in the middle. So you're going along a road and then there's this block you can't get past. You try one of the other roads because you really want to get somewhere and you end up in the same place. You're going nowhere.

I like this road block idea, especially if it were in the middle of a normally busy intersection that suddenly you couldn't cross.

I like it a lot.

But maybe that wasn't his idea.