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15 IPS vs 30 IPS

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:56 pm
by El Protoolio_Archive
I'm working with a band that uses a standard B tuning. When tracking to tape, I do it at 30 IPS and have never used a slower speed. My question is, since this band obviously has a very low sound, would there be an advantage to tracking at 15? Or is that whole idea of more low end at that speed just a myth? I know I get more tape time, but that's not an issue.

15 IPS vs 30 IPS

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:27 pm
by tmidgett_Archive
hey

My question is, since this band obviously has a very low sound, would there be an advantage to tracking at 15? Or is that whole idea of more low end at that speed just a myth?


no, it's not a myth

analog tape machines have what's called a 'head bump' in the low end

they have a little boost down there that peaks at some frequency and drops off pretty steeply below it

the bump is a recording phenomenon more than a playback one

at 30ips, a typical head bump might peak someplace between 80Hz and 120Hz, rolling off below that

at 15ips, that bump goes down an octave. for example, 120Hz bump becomes 60Hz, and the rolloff starts there instead of at a higher freq

each type of machine is a little different--the ampex atr-102 2-track, for example, can be close to dead flat, down to the bottom of the usable freq range, even at 30ips.

anyway, the tradeoff is noise. tape hiss also drops down an octave and is therefore more noticeable.

i prefer 15ips for rock. i like where the head bump lands better, and the extended LF response makes it easier to get bass and kick drum sounding the way they should. and who cares about tape hiss anyway.

anything w/o much going on in the low end, 30ips may be preferable

it would also depend on format, as track width and number of tracks will determine the amt of hiss. 1" 16track is going to be pretty noisy, 1" 8track not so much. some people use noise reduction at 15ips to ameliorate the hiss, but i have hated NR whenever i have heard it on multitracks.

for my money, 2" 16track at 15ips is the winner among multitrack formats

good luck

tm

15 IPS vs 30 IPS

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:50 pm
by El Protoolio_Archive
Thanks!

The machine is a Studer A820, 2" 24 track, just in case that affects any answers.

Here is a picture of it, just to be a geek

http://grahamhick.com/db4/00390/grahamh ... 110039.jpg

15 IPS vs 30 IPS

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:05 pm
by tmidgett_Archive
supposedly, it looks like this at 30ips:

http://www.endino.com/graphs/STUDER-A820-24trk.GIF

everything would move down an octave at 15ips, more or less

here's jack endino's article w/other graphs:

http://www.endino.com/graphs/

the plots make sense just lookin' at 'em

the shape of the curve will change a little more than that on some machines

15 IPS vs 30 IPS

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:30 pm
by Chris Hardings_Archive
Does anyone ever notice a quality difference between 30ips and 15ips?
other than tape noise being an octave lower.

Chris