steve wrote:Hey, relax with the name calling, okay?

Jumping on somebody because he's new to a message board and asks a question is a very lame part of "internet culture,"

the person you're upset with for name calling seems to be almost equally as new as the namecalled. so i don't think said name calling is a result of this web board taratoriality you're refering to. still, there was really no justification for it as far as i'm concerned.

by the way, it bothers me that you intentionally used poor english "in front of" the italian steve. not because it was offensive, but because it's not going to help him with his amelioration of the language. in fact, it's going to do the opposite.

editing my post here, gotta censor that shit. shared an opinion probably ill-formed. just gonna mention the part about how i work with an italian citizen who learned english okay, and i don't believe any message boards were vital to that.

and hell, jumping on that guy cause of his post, i dunno... struck me as kinda shitty. i don't think he did a damn thing wrong. but then when i think about it, i'd be shocked to find out folks haven't found anything i've posted here to be shitty at some point or another...

so that's about it then. sorry to edit what i had said. impulsive posting, poster's remorse, something about that. or maybe it was just identifying my own hypocrisy. but if anybody caught my idiotic post before i did, i apologize. something about a few pitchers of berr and some karaoke voyeurism... gonna just call it a night then. or is this the idiotic post? bah!

hey ok! this banter, it make me want to strangle you little boys with my belt! everybody give hug to next man, and then we play some ball in the yard, no? yes!

Hello, ok I'll try to help you since the others here haven't.

First:
Nirvana said they only remixed Heart Shaped Box, All Apologies and Pennyroyal Tea.

But Steve said:
"The mastering session that was done took several days, at a studio where the mastering engineer is famous for being very manipulative of the material. A normal album mastering session is a couple of hours. So obviously they thought they should butcher it in some way to try to satisfy these people and to try to satisfy their own expectations. The dynamic range was narrowed, the stereo width was narrowed, there was a lot of mid-range boost EQ added, and the overall sound quality was softened. And the bass response was compromised to make it sound more consistent on radio and home speaker. But the way I would describe it I non-technical terms is that they fucked it up. The end result, the record in the stores doesn't sound all that much like the record that was [recorded by me]."

Now, some possible sources for what you are listening to are:

1) Promo cassette tape source. Several bootlegs also exist which come from this tape. Pretty bad quality.

2) "In Utero First Week DAT", this has been going around among traders for awhile. Sound quality is pretty good. 8 songs total. Pretty easy to find or download now. Tracklist is:
1. Rape Me
2. Milk It
3. Heart-Shaped Box
4. Scentless Apprentice
5. Frances Farmer (with Kurt making coughing noises at the beginning)
6. Marigold (Cuts In)
7. Dumb
8. All Apologies

3) Germany Vinyl, there is an In Utero vinyl that was released in Germany, some people call it "All Albini" version... Supposedly comes from different tapes, contains the noisy HSB solo i think. I haven't heard this myself. You can still get this from redtrumpet.com


Basically, find the later two sources if you want to hear what in utero should sound like.

Sorry, I don't know if it's down pitched.

Curt wrote:Hello, ok I'll try to help you since the others here haven't.

Yes, please lets give back this forum its original purpose. Actually babalot' s question hide some interesting points.

If you have "downloaded" some music it must have been compressed and then the compression may have affected the original sound: this is self obvious but knowing exactly how this affects the music is not as well known.
A digital compression such as MP3, "compresses" (=the data not the sound) in getting rid of some extreme low and high frequencies, having then the effect of a midrange boost. The sound quality varies with the compression rate as the chosen frequencies to be "deleted" are becoming more and more audible (less and less top or bottom freq for more and more mids).
You may also compress a digital recording in changing its sample rate. This has for effect to diminish the dynamic of the sound, add some HF noise and in SOME CASES decrease the BPM value of the music.
The less known effect of compressed data happens when playing the files back on a mp3 player (for ex) which has to decompress and read the files in real time. I have experiment a decrease of tempo at this stage due to a bad timing between the buffering and the playing back process.
All of this depends on how the different software used (to compress or play) have been programmed.

from a French bloke...

All I can say is that I hope some people come to their senses and release the "original" version. Like "Let It Be...Naked," there's alot of people out there who want to hear what it really sounds like- prior to being messed with. I mean, what's the harm? Record companies release plenty of albums that they know won't sell huge numbers of copies. And, with Nirvana's popularity, it could sell a whole lot.

It's just like with DVDs: they release a shitty version first, everyone buys it, then they release a "special edition" and everyone buys it again. Personally, I find that fucking annoying- in the same way that the idea of "planned obsolescence" makes me want to puke.

In this case, I wouldn't really mind much. Let's just hope that it doesn't take 30 years...

Ain't it sad that Steve's most known record is the one that was fucked up ?

I bet this is all Courtney Love's fault. Apparently she came to the session and said it sounded crap.

I hope to hear the real version too.

matthieu

Ain't it sad that Steve's most known record is the one that was fucked up ?

I bet this is all Courtney Love's fault. Apparently she came to the session and said it sounded crap.

I hope to hear the real version too.

matthieu

This'll happen

When C. Love dies!

She's 80% plastic and 15% silicone.
She cannot die.
This monster is not human. It can't be reasoned with. It feels no pain.