Does Steve like " electronic" music?

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I am kind of surprised that Steve's response doesn't make mention in some way to the materiality or physicality of sounds which are produced when an object in the world is made to vibrate.

Electronic music, by definition, employs fewer, if any, of such sounds.

I don't think this makes electronic music 'less human,' as some of my friends might argue. I would make a point of not making that argument (just as communicating online isn't less human than communicating with paper and pen). Yet, it is less embodied, and less physical. And I think that makes a difference.

I enjoy some electronic music, and I like the way it troubles some of my culturally preconditioned feelings about what constitutes expression or meaning/value. But I don't listen to a lot of it.

steve wrote:Even the name is misleading. Dancing itself is unbounded. There are infinite possibilities for movement, pace, form, gesture, posture, etc. Many cultures exploit this in ceremonial dance music or traditional dance music. I find it ludicrous that, given such an open expanse of possibility, the genre "dance music" is so predictable and so hidebound. If I had an interest in dancing, it would not be limited to music that inspired bouncing in 4/4. The haunting nature of some waltzes, the awkward, tricky beauty of the Tarantella, and even the joviality of the Hava Negila are all evidence that there is more to be had from dancing than this, this fodder.


I recently saw a modern dance piece choreographed by Marie Chouinard that was set to electronically manipulated selections of Glenn Gould's Goldberg Variations (as well as digitally manipulated recordings of Gould speaking). The dancers used prosthetics such as canes, crutches, walkers, etc, and often had only one point shoe on with the other foot bare -- and sometimes had point shoes on both feet and hands, moving across the floor like uncanny animals.

It was of the most powerful human performances I have ever seen. Certainly the most powerful thing I've ever seen done with movement and the body.

I offer it simply as an example of the ways in which electronica and human movement can come together in the most artful and powerful way.

Does Steve like " electronic" music?

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LAD wrote:...I offer it simply as an example of the ways in which electronica and human movement can come together in the most artful and powerful way.

Repeated references to Aphex Twin and "that sorta stuff" make it clear we aren't talking about the music/dance you describe. That sounded interesting.
steve albini
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Quicumque quattuor feles possidet insanus est.

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steve wrote:Dance music is denied this sort of possibility, because it is functional music. It must function as a backdrop to a specific activity, dancing, for which there are fairly rigid boundaries. I know much is made of artists who "test" or "ignore" those boundaries within the genre, but that they are there to be tested is evidence I am right.

I find a similarly easy dismissal of jingles, video game music, etc. It is functional, bounded, and so incapable of provoking in me the feeling I get from music made for its own sake.


"functional music"... from this idea came some interesting developments Erik Satie's "furniture music", Brian Eno and ambient, all kinds of primitive music forms were originally invented to rock the party. In my days of going to hardcore shows there were dudes there simply to do their hardcore dance moves with their buds.

I like functional music and I like some video game music too. To paraphrase Tony Conrad, our comprehension of music is related to our understanding of human speech. Human speech is communicative and so is music. Opinions are opinions but why can't music be valid if it is merely there to express itself, the actual sound, and the creator of the music and the emotions of the creator aren't as important in this case. It becomes all about the material, sound, itself.

Dance music is just another genre. I like some "dance" type tracks for the same reason I like some Shellac songs. One might have some cool squelchy rude sounding synthesizers and the other might have some metallicly abrasive guitars. I like the sounds, some like the songs.

If you are one predisposed to liking songs and narrative type structure in music, then I can understand disliking dance music derivants.

Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher, and their ilk are more often than not very fixated on the sound itself moreso than ideas of personal self-expression. What's wrong with that? Alot of their stuff is undanceable, as well. What does that mean in relation to disco?

Personally, I prefer Pan Sonic when it comes to this stuff. They are dealing with some of the same properties of sound as Alvin Lucier and Phill Niblock are.

I've come to think of electronic music in a base way: the sound is what is coming out of the speaker vs. acoustically recorded music that when it comes out of the speaker is a representation of the original sound.

The sound of ROck represented a repulsive culture to many, but now Led Zep is selling Oldsmobiles, The Ramones are on some other commercial, the Clash on another, Minor Threat is selling Nikes.

-- this is why the whole representation of a culture thing seems thin to me in this day and age of commercial appropriation of culture that perhaps means something today, and nothing tomorrow.

One is left with the sound of sound itself. BZZZzzzzrrrrrr Scrree BRRAaapp

(need to stop browsing message boards when having a drink)

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7thHarmonic wrote: In my days of going to hardcore shows there were dudes there simply to do their hardcore dance moves with their buds.

Yes. Retarded, wasn't it.

It becomes all about the material, sound, itself.

I think music devoid of content (I don't mean narrative or text, but intent) is merely sound. If all I heard when I listened to music was the sound coming out of the speaker, I'd give it up in a heartbeat. I hear more than sound, and I'll bet you do to.

I like the sounds, some like the songs.

In a previous discussion, I explained that I think "the song" as parsed away from the totality of that which makes it audible is meaningless. I place no value in "the song."

If you are one predisposed to liking songs and narrative type structure in music, then I can understand disliking dance music derivants.

I am not so predisposed, yet I dislike dance music and its progeny.

Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher, and their ilk are more often than not very fixated on the sound itself moreso than ideas of personal self-expression. What's wrong with that? Alot of their stuff is undanceable, as well. What does that mean in relation to disco?

That it is obsessed with the unimportant part, the sound, to the exclusion of everything else. The content. The part that gives me a reason to pay attention.

I've come to think of electronic music in a base way: the sound is what is coming out of the speaker vs. acoustically recorded music that when it comes out of the speaker is a representation of the original sound.

Whatever comes out of the speaker is what I'm listening to. I don't care what its origins are. The term "electronic music" is not synonymous with "dance music." I like quite a bit of electronic music, and virtually no "dance music" as we are describing it. Yes, Autechre and Squarepusher and Aphex Twin are "dance music," in that sense.

One is left with the sound of sound itself. BZZZzzzzrrrrrr Scrree BRRAaapp

Only when there is nothing there but mere sound.
steve albini
Electrical Audio
sa at electrical dot com
Quicumque quattuor feles possidet insanus est.

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Rick Reuschel wrote:The premise of the thread is slightly confusing for me. If there is an individual interest in what Steve Albini likes why not pm him? If the intent is to start a thread discussing the merits of electronic music why not say so? No animosity intended here.


Ok, I guess these "Let's ask Steve" questions may seem a little bit juvenile or even 'cult of personality,' but, let's face it, he takes his writing way more seriously than the rest of us usually do and actually gives STRAIGHT ANSWERS on shit, which is obviously not always the case when certain people are around....

Also, this thread reminds me of another great Steve reply, the thread about the record store snob, classifying your appreciation of music into grades, like you're a junior if you're into jazz and a senior if your into avant-garde and all this shit.

Steve's reply comparing jazz to the "free" anarchist neighborhood in Copenhagen was enlightening. And completely awesome.

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