ctrl-s wrote:I haven't seen United 93 and probably won't for a while, if at all. One reason is that apparently (per J. Rosenbaum's review in the Reader, among others) the film depicts passengers entering the cockpit prior to the crash and struggling for the controls. Why show this when NO SUCH THING HAPPENED? WE KNOW THIS FOR A FACT! Presuming that you believe that the black box transcripts as released are real, they clearly show that the hijackers themselves crashed the plane before passengers could get into the cockpit.
Maybe. I'm supposed to say this as the resident conspiracy nut, but I don't trust the cockpit voice recordings. They don't correllate time-wise, and they don't correllate with the cell phone calls.
The passengers made heroic efforts.
United 93 was shot down.
All you need to do is examine the debris field to know that it reflects a jetliner blasted apart in flight. Shredded body parts spit out of an engine don't rain down on people fishing on a lake eight miles away from where the cockpit nosed into the ground; that is not typical of the crash landing of an intact plane, to say the least.
United 93 left Newark 42 minutes late. It was behind schedule the whole way. The passengers were never supposed to learn of the events in NYC. They were never supposed to "save the capitol", as the movie trailer states. They were supposed to crash into an empty White House shortly after the Pentagon "crash".
Their presence over Western PA was a problem, and a successful passenger revolt that included a commercial pilot would have been a HUGE problem.
A plane landing with survivors, including surviving "hijackers", would have been an ENORMOUS problem.
Because the hijackers may have had stronger ties to US intelligence or Israeli intelligence than the ties they had through CIA front organization Al-Qaeda.
So Cheney told the A-10 Warthog or the F-16's from Lansing, MI to take United 93 out.
All excerpts from Paul Thompson's Complete 911 Timeline.
His web site is complete with links to all the media sources, and even some links to mirror sites that preserve media reports that have been scrubbed post- 9/11. I didn't copy all the links to paste with the excerpts.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/proj ... 11_project
10:00 a.m.- Hijackers Respond to Passenger Revolt
According to the 9/11 Commission, the hijacker pilot, presumably Ziad Jarrah, has been rolling the plane sharply to the left and right in an attempt to prevent passengers from reaching the cockpit. At this time, he stabilizes the plane and asks another hijacker, “Is that it? Shall we finish it off?” Another voice answers, “No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off.” The pilot starts pitching the nose of the airplane up and down. A few seconds later a passenger’s voice can be heard saying, “In the cockpit. If we don’t we’ll die!” Another voice says, “Roll it!” which some speculate could be a reference to pushing a foot cart into the cockpit door. By 10:01, the pilot stops the pitching and says, “Allah o akbar! Allah o akbar!” (“God is great”), then asks, “Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?” Another hijacker responds, “Yes, put it in it, and pull it down.” [New York Times, 8/22/2004; San Francisco Chronicle, 8/23/2004]
10:00 - 10:06 a.m.- Flight 93 Cell Call Listeners Hear Silence, Strange Sounds
During this time, there apparently are no calls from Flight 93. Several cell phones that are left on record only silence. For instance, although Todd Beamer does not hang up, nothing more is heard after he puts down the phone, suggesting things are quiet in the back of the plane. [Longman, 2002] The only exception is Richard Makely, who listens to Jeremy Glick’s open phone line after Glick goes to attack the hijackers. A reporter summarizes Makely explaining that, “The silence last[s] two minutes, then there [is] screaming. More silence, followed by more screams. Finally, there [is] a mechanical sound, followed by nothing.” [San Francisco Chronicle, 10/17/2001] The second silence lasts between 60 and 90 seconds. [Longman, 2002] Near the end of the cockpit voice recording, loud wind sounds can be heard. [Longman, 2002; CNN, 5/19/2002] “Sources claim the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder is the sound of wind—suggesting the plane had been holed.” [Mirror, 10/13/2002] There was at least one passenger, Don Greene, who was a professional pilot. Another passenger, Andrew Garcia, was a former flight controller. [Daily Telegraph, 9/6/2002; Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 11/28/2001; Newsweek, 10/22/2001]
10:02 a.m. - Cockpit Voice Recording Ends Early?
The cockpit voice recording of Flight 93 was recorded on a 30-minute reel, which means that the tape is continually overwritten and only the final 30 minutes of any flight would be recorded. The government later permits relatives to hear this tape. Apparently, the version of the tape played to the family members begins at 9:31 a.m. and runs for 31 minutes, ending one minute before, according to the government, the plane crashes. [Longman, 2002; CNN, 5/19/2002] The New York Observer comments, “Some of the relatives are keen to find out why, at the peak of this struggle, the tape suddenly stops recording voices and all that is heard in the last 60 seconds or so is engine noise. Had the tape been tampered with?” [New York Observer, 7/17/2004]
10:03 - 10:10 a.m.- Flight 93 Crashes; Seven-Minute Discrepancy On Exact Timing Of Crash
Exactly when Flight 93 crashes remains unclear. According to NORAD, Flight 93 crashes at 10:03 a.m. [North American Aerospace Defense Command, 10/18/2001] The 9/11 Commission gives an exact time of 11 seconds after 10:03 a.m. They claim this “time is supported by evidence from the staff’s radar analysis, the flight data recorder, NTSB [National Transportation Safety Board] analysis, and infrared satellite data.” They do note that “[t]he precise crash time has been the subject of some dispute.” [9/11 Commission, 7/17/2004] However, a seismic study authorized by the US Army to determine when the plane crashed concluded that the crash happened at 10:06:05 a.m. [Kim and Baum, 2002 pdf file; San Francisco Chronicle, 1/9/2003] The discrepancy is so puzzling that the Philadelphia Daily News publishes an article on the issue, titled “Three-Minute Discrepancy in Tape.” It notes that leading seismologists agree on the 10:06 a.m. time, give or take a couple of seconds. [Philadelphia Daily News, 10/16/2002] The New York Observer notes that, in addition to the seismology study, “The FAA gives a crash time of 10:07 a.m. In addition, the New York Times, drawing on flight controllers in more than one FAA facility, put the time at 10:10 a.m. Up to a seven-minute discrepancy? In terms of an air disaster, seven minutes is close to an eternity. The way our nation has historically treated any airline tragedy is to pair up recordings from the cockpit and air-traffic control and parse the timeline down to the hundredths of a second. However, as [former Inspector General of the Transportation Department] Mary Schiavo points out, ‘We don’t have an NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) investigation here, and they ordinarily dissect the timeline to the thousandth of a second.’” [New York Observer, 3/11/2004] (Note that this work uses 10:06 a.m. as the most likely time of the crash, detailed below).
Movies about 9/11 made in 2006 = CRAP
