Ibanez make a nice baritone (down a 5th) which is the Staind guitarist's signature model, the MMM1. Apart from that its a decent guitar. Open chords sound lush on it. If anyone has one for sale, I want one..

So I've got it.

I twiddled with the POG a little and now my guitar sounds like a bass. I'm using a Rickenbacker Hamburg 220 with flat wound strings into a Traynor TS25. The line out is going into the stereo-link input of my roland kc 500 keyboard amp, which has 180 watts and a 15" speaker. all the treble is coming out of the traynor and all of the bass is coming out of the 15" cab.

it sounds awesome.

I need to do some more tweaking (thanks scott!) and this thing is going to sound ridiculous.


BWWWOOOOOWWWW.


I'm also going to link up the two octave pedal threads. I've talked a bit about the pedal before in those:

+1 Octave Thread

+2 Octave Thread

kerble wrote:with flat wound strings

Damn. How goes your 'guitar' tone with these guys? Are you going for a 'classic' sort of clean bass sound? Are you distorting it? The only flatwound guys I know are those vicious jazz guitar players, and that is one seriously different tone than I'm used to. Plus, they feel weird. I had to readjust my brain to work them at all...

rayj wrote:

kerble wrote:with flat wound strings

Damn. How goes your 'guitar' tone with these guys? Are you going for a 'classic' sort of clean bass sound? Are you distorting it? The only flatwound guys I know are those vicious jazz guitar players, and that is one seriously different tone than I'm used to. Plus, they feel weird. I had to readjust my brain to work them at all...

I've used flatwounds for about five years on my electric and play noisy psych-pop stuff. My tone has never been a problem and I usually dial back the treble a bit anyway. I recommend the D'Addario flats and even more so the Thomastik Jazz Swing Series (both in 11s).

"Chums"
(sendspace link to mp3)

this one has the graphic fuzz and the pog (not on the bass rig, but through a fender twin) and a doubled guitar track with an OC-2 in the first part, just hot tubes in the middle and back on with the octaves in the end. It gets pretty shrill in a lot of spots. it's pretty "tone".


I can't wait to record the new rig. I can dial in a lot of different bass tones depending on my tone knob and the POG. it's got a subosc fader that really makes the bass come out, but you can also sweep on the formant fader which can hit really deep, murky, dub sounds to midrangy-punk bass. with a fuzz on it all low, it sounds a bit like sabbath.



also, playing it through a reverse delay......mmm...lazy droollly.

Damn. POG and reverse delay? The Danelectro thing? Sounds great. If you guys ever play Seattle, please post about it...

Hijack: does anyone make an analog reverse delay? If not, could someone please do so?

rayj wrote:Damn. POG and reverse delay? The Danelectro thing? Sounds great. If you guys ever play Seattle, please post about it...

Hijack: does anyone make an analog reverse delay? If not, could someone please do so?

y'know, if you don't have one, I wholly recommend the ugly green line six delay. it's not analog, but the reverse is pretty great and you can tap tempo the thing to get the delay in time with the song. plus with the loop sampler for fucking around on your own and the bucket of other delays that are pretty good, it's totally worth the hefty tag. It has three programmable delay footswitches, too. great for live delay variety without fucking with knobs during a show.

it's the only pedal I've re-bought after selling it and realizing how stupid it was to get rid of such a versatile toy. I'd often stack it with another delay because I'm a dork.


delayed delay? sure...it'll get there....eventually....

a mate of mine who plays in a doom/drone/uber slow death metal in a two piece and he achieves an excellent tone using a guitar amp a bass amp, a loop pedal and an octave pedal.

he downtunes a ridiculous amount, i think to f#, and he gets an incredible tone.

i used to do something similar, when playing in a two piece, i'd downtune a huge amount and pick the bass notes right at the neck and pick the higher strings right near the bridge. that way it'd almost sound like there were bass notes being in addition to the lead melodies.

something which i would insist though, try and have the simplest solution possible. the beauty of being in a two piece is that massive improvisational freedom. if that's not the case then it don't matter.

getting a friend to learn the instrument would be the best decision.

sinevil wrote:getting a friend to learn the instrument would be the best decision.

that doesn't make any sense.

kerble wrote:

rayj wrote:Damn. POG and reverse delay? The Danelectro thing? Sounds great. If you guys ever play Seattle, please post about it...

Hijack: does anyone make an analog reverse delay? If not, could someone please do so?

y'know, if you don't have one, I wholly recommend the ugly green line six delay. it's not analog, but the reverse is pretty great and you can tap tempo the thing to get the delay in time with the song. plus with the loop sampler for fucking around on your own and the bucket of other delays that are pretty good, it's totally worth the hefty tag. It has three programmable delay footswitches, too. great for live delay variety without fucking with knobs during a show.

it's the only pedal I've re-bought after selling it and realizing how stupid it was to get rid of such a versatile toy. I'd often stack it with another delay because I'm a dork.


delayed delay? sure...it'll get there....eventually....

I had the line six deal, and the thing I'm looking to do...those hypersaturated analog sounds you get with, say, the old EHMX Memory Man...aren't there. So far, you simply can't overload the feedback on a digital unit and get that sound...the better ones (like the line 6)limit the signal at the 'overload' point, and that's cool, but as anyone knows who records overloading a digital amp (IC) and an analog one supply very different sounds. Getting my old (blue) Memory Man to feedback and become it's own instrument (with ONE sound, mind you) is something I'm pining for these days.