and now i'm called a troll.
of course.
cuz Lord knows it's inconceivable that this kid who got pissed over some random guy saying "nigger" was weak and wrong to not defend his outrage (in the real world, not on the computer. I dont care i found this forum searching for old music and i just wanted to pipe up for this guy who seemed worked up over the racial crap.

have fun kids

Thanks, Captain America.

Alcoholophile wrote:and now i'm called a troll.
of course.
cuz Lord knows it's inconceivable that this kid who got pissed over some random guy saying "nigger" was weak and wrong to not defend his outrage (in the real world, not on the computer. I dont care i found this forum searching for old music and i just wanted to pipe up for this guy who seemed worked up over the racial crap.

have fun kids

I can't believe you don't get this!

He was not weak or wrong because he did not beat the fuck out of this random guy.

You were wrong for hitting the guy who hit his child in the check-out line.

You would be wrong for hitting some guy who shit in public. The police would NOT agree with you for doing it.

It sounds like you are used to fighting. If you fought for Americans' rights to say what they want, then why would you fight an American for saying what he wants?

Hi.

Nina wrote:
It sounds like you are used to fighting. If you fought for Americans' rights to say what they want, then why would you fight an American for saying what he wants?

Alcoholophile wrote:he didn't show "an amazing amount of restraint" ubercat, he did what 99% of the pussified populace does when confronted with shit they don't like: he let it go, bottled it up, and vented once there was zero danger to himself.
pussified wussyboy.
don't get all huffy NOW, after the fact.
if someone violates or assaults your moral stance on an issue you feel strongly about: ACT!
i bet if when he said "nigger" you PUNCHED him right in his nose he'd think twice about saying it next time...
but instead you kept quiet and ranted about it anonymously online.

weak.

i got to this post and stopped reading...what i find interesting is that this person suggests violence as a reaction to a racist comment, yet he sees no problem with his loose use of the term, "pussified." i'd like to know when i as a women get to go around beating people's heads in everytime i feel offended for a sexist comment. not trying to derail the racism issue of the thread here. i just wanted to point that out.

242sumner wrote:

scott wrote:
The single most striking thing about the *vibe* I got the first time I was in NY was how it felt really, really un-racist. Like there had been so many people of so many different ethnicities interacting with each other...

Are they really interacting with each other?
In multicultural times, more and more people are concerned about their own ethnicity and heritage.
Violent racism, open racism was replaced by some kind of mutual indifference,which is not much better.

i read on...

anyway, thanks for saying this. i completely agree and have tried to make this point on a number of occassions in "defense" of the neighborhood that i grew up in. it's notorious for being racist, but i've lived in other neighborhoods and have spent plenty of time with people who grew up in the burbs and there's one thing i can say for sure...the only difference between where i grew up and the others is that in my neighborhood people are ignorant and so they have no qualms about telling you what they think of you whereas people in the burbs are just better at hiding their racism. ...and, by the way, i always find it interesting when people who grew up in all-white burbs get so uneasy because i use the word "black" rather than African-American (actually, i interchange them)..nevertheless, it's funny to me because my friends and co-workers who are black prefer to be called black. just as i prefer white over caucasian or euro-american. (okay, getting a little side-tracked here...)

but, to be clear...i'm making a generalization, not implying that everyone in the burbs are racists. i'm simply saying that racism is everywhere and you are only fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

and, i don't necessarily agree that brutallity is any worse than mutual indifference. i mean, OF COURSE, it horrible that someone should get beat up for who they are but do we want to see issues of inequality continue on for another 200 years either? ...because that's what happens when we just "tolerate" each other. just ask the gay community. oh, yeah, and women.

242sumner wrote:In multicultural times

I would go out of my way to avoid this band.

Alcoholophile wrote:it bothered "Scott" though, and we see how he reacted, and my point is, he's gonna live a real frustrated angry life if this is the kind of thing that gets his goat, andhe never acts on it.

Actually, I am not leading a particularly frustrated life, and can tell you with great certainty that I was orders of magnitude more frustrated when I was in my 20's, especially my early 20's. And now, as then, if you have real solutions about how to change the world that would in any way be effective, I'd love to hear them. Punching the racism out of someone is about as unintelligent a solution as I can think of, in that there is no way in hell it would work. Punching people doesn't take away their fear, which is what's at the heart of racism, but rather amplifies it.

And as far as the "angry" part, I can say without much doubt that you are living a far angrier life than I am. If physical violence is your answer to pretty much anything, then yeah, you're probably angry as hell. I don't actually have much anger towards racist people, it's more of a sadness. Knowing that this guy's kid stands a good chance of growing up thinking racism is alright, that makes me feel sad for the kid. Just like I feel sad for you that your dad, or quite possibly step-dad, beat the shit out of you your whole life. That's how the world goes, and shitheads beget shitheads, and on and on.

So I guess you really don't know so much about me.

But lemme ask you, about my first encounter that day... standing in the home of a man who appeared quite racist, and he had just finished telling me a story about threatening to shoot a man for a very petty reason, inside their gated community that I can only assume to be well-protected, if not well-connected (in an Italian-fest kinda way), what do you think the proper course of auction would be? I should have punched him in the face because his story and the nature of his residence suggested that he is racist? Remember, he didn't actually use the n-word. But I probably should have punched him in the face, right? And then if his son, who was there (and was nice enough, and helped me carry the amp out to my trunk), chose to intervene in the defense of his father, then I should have punched him, too? And if either of them pulled out the gun of which he spoke, I should probably have wrestled it away from him, and then should I have shot him in the face, too, or is that where we draw the line? Maybe just pistol whip him a bit? Teach him something about something?

You've done well though. You've gotten far more attention and response than you deserve. I know better. And yet I'm compelled to address you.

Alcoholophile wrote:i'm an old guy and maybe in my day it was different

I find this incredibly ironic, because if you are not just a common troll, which you really, *really* smell like, then I can't imagine you being "an old guy". If this persona that you're writing from is your real one, the real you, I'm kinda saddened if you're anything older than about 18, maybe 20. You shouldn't be as immature as you are by the time you're "an old guy". Really. "Punch him in the eye" is, in all sincerity, right about K-12 playground caliber.

As annoying as the litigious nature of America can be to me, with skilled lawyers being worth more than thoughtfulness and sensibility when it comes to doling out our "justice", I have to say I'm glad that our legal system is designed such that a person like you (i.e. your persona) will end up with a nice rap sheet and do plenty of time in jail, so long as the folks that your persona punches in the face take your very advice, and stand up and do what's right, which is to talk to the cops and land your persona's repugnant ass behind bars every time you voluntarily act like an animal.

Anyway, thanks for being a straw man. See ya in the funny papers.

Michael Richards wrote:Hi.

Wassup, nigga! Alcoholophile much?

trilonaut wrote:while i've only heard the ER version used by white people

I read this and thought, "George Clooney is racist?"