steve wrote:Aligning oneself with douchebags is what people are objecting to.

Who is this douchebag everyone is talking about? Pardon me, but I'm giving more credit to MR. STARBUCKS founder than to DAVID FUCKING GEFFEN.

Geffen gave me Nirvana in frathouses and a shitstorm of anal-blast "indie rock" in the wake.

Starbucks gives me consistently OK coffee almost anywhere.

tangent:

there is a non-profit, vaguely anarchist bicycle reclamation co-op in evanston, run by volunteer folks in their 20's. they collect bikes, fix and rebuild them, and ship them to guatemala, etc... nice place, nice folks, you can picture them exactly. i was there finding a part for my bike, and met this woman, named marilyn or something.

a couple weeks later, i go into starbucks (which i regard as my one large name-brand corporate consumer weakness) and the woman behind the counter, i soon realize, is this marilyn, from the bike shop. she says, really loud and accusingly, "jay! you go to starbucks?!"

and i say, "you work at starbucks?"

not a very good story, but man, that place fell silent for about three seconds.










thurston moore is much taller than me.

thurston moore is much taller than me.

He IS tall...He's almost Jimmy Frog tall.

jayryan wrote:tangent:

there is a non-profit, vaguely anarchist bicycle reclamation co-op in evanston, run by volunteer folks in their 20's. they collect bikes, fix and rebuild them, and ship them to guatemala, etc... nice place, nice folks, you can picture them exactly. i was there finding a part for my bike, and met this woman, named marilyn or something.

a couple weeks later, i go into starbucks (which i regard as my one large name-brand corporate consumer weakness) and the woman behind the counter, i soon realize, is this marilyn, from the bike shop. she says, really loud and accusingly, "jay! you go to starbucks?!"

and i say, "you work at starbucks?"

Somewhere over on the other side of the internet at guatemalabikehippies.com they are having a heated discussion about whether or not Jay Ryan is a sellout for going to Starbucks.

steve wrote:And y'all are acting like we shouldn't care if somebody is a creep or chooses to associate with creeps. Granted that definition of "creep" is subjective.

Peter Sotos isn't creepy?
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zack wrote:Peter Sotos isn't creepy?

Hell no. Obviously you've never met him.

steve wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:Steve, what particular beef do you have with them signing to Geffen?

The fact that they ushered in many young bands that might have done better for themselves on an independent?

They generally accellerated (even championed) the process whereby the old-school music business paradigm, with its managers, lawyers, promotion men and other agencies encroached on what had been a thriving underground. It was ugly to watch, because all those people were sick fucks I wanted nothing to do with, and now all of a sudden they were holding our peers lives in their hands and blowing bullshit in everybody's ear.

The again, you could sign to an indie label like death row records! Their nothing like those fat cat corporations, no way.
They don't have mangers, lawyers or promo men. They won't even sue you if you break a contract - They'll just break your legs

Not sure how ethical gang-bangin' and drug drug trafficing is though ?...
(does crack smoke emit carbon?)

Mandroid2.0 wrote:

alex maiolo wrote:I was just kidding.
I like this thread.

-A

This thread has served to remind me of one of my favourite The Onion articles ever:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38780

So
Damn
Good!

How did I miss that? Of course that occurred to me when I saw the ad for the cruise ship. I was in a room full of people I didn't know very well and I said "This song is about being addicted to junk! What the hell!??"
No real response from the room.

Almost as good:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27870

-A

mr.arrison wrote:

steve wrote:Aligning oneself with douchebags is what people are objecting to.

Who is this douchebag everyone is talking about? Pardon me, but I'm giving more credit to MR. STARBUCKS founder than to DAVID FUCKING GEFFEN.

Geffen gave me Nirvana in frathouses and a shitstorm of anal-blast "indie rock" in the wake.

Starbucks gives me consistently OK coffee almost anywhere.

My point for 18 pages now.
Well said. Even with the dildo, fart and piss talk.
What am I saying, especially with the dildo, fart and piss talk.

-A

mr.arrison wrote:Geffen gave me Nirvana in frathouses and a shitstorm of anal-blast "indie rock" in the wake.

He also gave us Laura Nyro and Judee Sill.