chairman_hall wrote:Sorry Bob.

I'm not. Fuck him.

tommydski wrote:Why go to all the trouble he does?

Because he's an utter cunt.

greg wrote:Although the subject of the thread was a better premise, as opposed to beating up on a guy, there have been plenty of threads of personal persecution. Scott can attest to that.

Yeah, but Scott totally sucks.

El Protoolio wrote:

tommydski wrote:To my understanding, a troll is someone who is deliberately being as antagonistic and offensive as possible to get a rise out of people.

If Bob is doing that, he's picked an incredibly roundabout way of doing it if you think about it. Spending so much time looking for quotes. Building those massive posts with his giant text and images. If his sole purpose was to piss people off, he could do it by calling them names and stuff.

He is not a troll in the classic sense. He is a unique troll and he is proud of it. I guess you missed the part in his PM to me when he said

clocker bob wrote:...now I need to get back on the ulcer horse, resume internet conflict, and be somebody's pariah again. Lucky EA forum, especially Galanter.

CB

which shows me he clearly wants to purposefully antagonize. Yes he claims to believe what he says but I don't believe that when he says it. I think he is full of shit and just gets off on pissing people off. He also does plenty of name calling in the classic trollish manner.

Here is his last post as "Clocker Bob", more reason why I think he is just a sack of shit troll.

clocker bob wrote:...I meant to also give kudos to everyone who caught on immediately that there was a big element of performance art in the character of Clocker Bob. Not saying that I didn't believe what I posted, but the demeanor of the character was constructed to attract hostility, in the hopes of garnering more attention for the ideas in the posts. I'm not sure that worked. Maybe the ideas got more exposure because Clocker Bob was so outlandish, but maybe I lost people who blocked out the ideas because of their animosity for the character...

We can still agree to disagree but how is this persona any different than "Rick Reuban"? It's not. And if it's not then the line about it being performance art constructed to antagonize is bullshit.

Disagree all you want but I think his words and actions speak for themselves.

I agree.

Tommy - just because RR doesn't stop at bluntly calling people cunts doesn't mean he is somehow sincere.

Have you ever tried to discuss anything with him? If you have, you'll know he isn't interested in furthering an edifying debate. His graphs, quotes and insults are just how he winds people up; his troll tools. Any worthwhile discussion that arises in any of the threads he pisses all over are despite, not because of his efforts.

I used to think he was a diligent if over-zealous person dedicated to his causes. The first time I tried to engage him in discussion about something vaguely political (which I'm sure he will dig out, quote with re-sized and emboldened text and wail about) I was rudely awakened.

He posts to antagonise; the form his postings take is a veneer.

Like many verbose and noisy people, he has very little to say.

Rick Reuben wrote:All I know is this: my airing out of your hypocrisy and lack of political acumen for the forum forced you to do three things that you should have been above doing:

1- make fake quotes, put my name on them.

There is no hypocrisy or lack of political acumen on my part but I did post an obviously fake quote. I was hoping you would run to the moderators like the crybaby you are just like in the Ron Paul thread. It didn't work. Oh well.

But what did work was when you kept digging up old quotes of mine every time I posted a dumb picture. That is what I wanted you to do. You were under my control when you did that. Good dog. I win.

Rick Reuben wrote:2- run a stream of stupid pictures to disguise your lack of a counterargument.

There never was a counter argument dumbass. My problem with you is that you are an asshole. You don't seem to comprehend that minor little detail. Or you do and choose instead to set up straw man arguments.

Rick Reuben wrote:and finally,

3- post PM's on the public forum.

When you resorted to that last one, that certified how deeply I dug into your mixed-up head. Another victory for me. When your enemies are forced to bend the rules to parry, that means that you have shredded them on the level playing field.

I bent no rules though I did agonize over wether it was ethical of me to do so. But as someone said to me today in a PM when I expressed my doubt to them

I wouldn't worry about that too much - perhaps it wasn't the most ethical thing to do, but then you know Bob would fuck you over in any way he could in a second. It's only worth respecting someone up to a point - if they continually abuse your respect, then fuck 'em.

I totally agree with this. Plus this aint no court of law, if it was you would have been held in contempt and removed from the court room years ago.

Rick Reuben wrote:Why should I care who thinks I'm a troll? All labels are fine with me. Let my detractors put me in any category they like. tmidgett implied I was a troll like a year ago. Did it stop me from reporting on the mortgage bubble, and making his mainstream media-fed optimism look worse and worse in hindsight? No. People called me a troll in the 9/11 threads. Didn't matter. The hoax continues to unravel, and I was early on the side pushing for a repaired history. Your labels on me=your blinders around your own eyes.

I don't care if you care, I am just exposing you for the fraud that you are for others to see and judge for themselves. If I were you I would bully them into agreeing with me. Since I am not an authoritarian like you I don't.

Rick Reuben wrote: When my detractors desperately grab at any excuse they can fumble together to smear my message, they confirm that their mind control has taken authority over their lives. When they deliver non-stop personal attacks, they amplify the power of the truth, because the truth is an interloper into their cloistered worlds, and their kneejerk panic confirms its potency. When they break internet etiquette, they are revealed as frauds.

In every way, I win, because all I need to do is post the truth. Ignore me, I win, attack me, I win, label me, I win. The truth is a gift. Lies are a curse. Every time you lie against the truth, you stumble deeper into a forest of shame.

Nope I win because you do not understand what I have been saying and have acted as if I have challenged your opinions or your "truth" when all I have done is challenge your methods. When did I ever say I have all the answers? When did I ever say that people must follow my advice? When have I ever "lied against the truth"?

When you can't reasonably address the facts I have laid out about your behavior and instead resort to your narcissistic delusions of grandeur and expose yourself as the abusive bully you are, I win. When you spend literally hours of your time digging up old quotes of mine because I am purposefully antagonizing you, you are now jumping through the hoops I have held up for you, so I win. Good dog, now sit.

I don't believe Bobrick is a troll, at all. I've disagreed with him and seen my share of bile for it but I never took it as anything but a guy honestly believing ever word he writes.

Cooler heads really need to prevail here.

Incidentally, "New World Order And The Universal Screed Of The Safe Go-Nowheres."

This thread has failed in every possible way.

The "Grunge" Band Blow-Up and The Exodus Exodus.

I wish people would re-read Orwell until they understood it, instead of just running the same bits and bobs of 1984 into the ground like croquet pegs.

big_dave wrote:I wish people would re-read Orwell until they understood it

"Animals are silly!"

Rick Reuben wrote:

El Protoolio wrote:I don't care if you care, I am just exposing you for the fraud that you are for others to see and judge for themselves.

You better focus on me then, because if you attempt to defend the Federal Reserve or the 9/11 Commission Report, you will just look silly.

Yeah, when have I ever defended either of those things? Show me one quote of mine refuting one of your two pet causes and I will leave this forum entirely.

Rick Reuben wrote: You need to have people like me in your world- to give you an escape clause. Then, in 20 years, when you're waist deep in a police state with a broken economy and constant 'terror alerts', you can tell your friends this charming anecdote( out of the view of the telescreens, of course ): "I, El Protoolio, stopped telling the truth about America, but I had a good reason: one person that I didn't like forced to me to shut down my public anger, because if I wrote about it, it put me in agreement with that one person too often. I was more worried about peer pressure retaliation against me if I publicly agreed with that one, lone person, more worried than I was about the future of the whole damn country. I thought micro when the world needed me to think macro. One person made me dilute my anger.

See, my friends- isn't that a good excuse??"

You're fucked in the head dude. Again you make up straw men. I have publicly agreed with you plenty of times. Even today I posted a PM of mine to you saying that I agree with you on a lot of the subjects you write about. It was never about your opinions, just your methods.

Try again, but this time try attacking me about something I actually said or did, not some made up straw man.

Rick Reuben wrote: Boy are you going to look stupid sitting around drinking your Victory Gin in 2027.

I can't drink gin anymore. I had an issue with it one night in the spring of 1998.

Rick Reuben wrote:You have no credibility until you join the cause to warn America. If you can't do it because that means sharing turf with me, then you and your conscience have some dark days ahead.

You really should focus more on writing drama. You have a knack for it. You should also try a reality check because you are not the Christ figure you think you are. You are also no metric of credibility, at least none that I am concerned about.

Rick Reuben wrote:

If I lived in America right now I would be very worried. I asked my mother how come the Jewish people did not leave Europe when Hitler came into power, and she answered "Because they did not believe things could get that bad. The Nazis did everything gradually, and by the time the people found out the truth, it was too late."

Yes, yes, there is also one that goes something like

When they came for the homosexuals I did not speak up because I was not a homosexual. When they came for gypsies I did not speak up because I was not a gypsy. When they came for the Jews I did not speak up because I was not a Jew. When they came for me there was no one left to speak up for me.

So what's your fucking point?