warmowski wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:Before you continue railing against the motives of Paul's supporters...

I pretty much spotted and showed the giant hole in the guy's libertarian nonsense already, no need for me to keep pointing it out.

-r

Oh, I'm sure you did You seem to be under the assumption that Ron Paul's district exists in a vacuum, outside of the rest of Texas. Look at the bills he's sponsored, while, as you put it, "the jackboot rests comfortably on his foot".

Rick Reuben wrote:Quite a bit, but nothing about government

I'm talking about government, and as usual, you are talking about something else entirely. Which I expect, since I noticed a long time ago that the less someone knows about government, the more likely they are to ignore or demonize government and to support political candidates who cater to their anti-social dimwit fantasies of abolishing taxation.

Let's compare what government is to what you traffic in here:

Government is boring, while your obsessions are exciting, sweeping and filled with dramatic tension.

Government is incremental, competetive and uncertain, while your concern is with a political and economic meta-narrative that leads back to, what was it, ancient satanists?

Compared to your thousands of epic political and conspiratory summaries posted here, government is a comparitively well-defined process of instututions and individuals and interests pulling and pushing this way and that. It's less a narrative than a frustrating clusterfuck that gets things done, undone, underdone and overdone.

Government is dull, dull, dull, but your posts are usually porn. Purple, garment-rending, sweaty porn.

Get this straight: It is very, very difficult to masturbate to government.

So I ask you to stick with the "anything could mean anything" theorizing. I still enjoy it. I have enjoyed this kind of entertainment since the 300 baud modem era.

But jerking off in public over a taxation-abolishing presidential candidate who just doesn't have much to say about the role federal spending played in his two decades of re-elections to Congress is just bush-league lame. As lame, facile and ignorant of government as libertarianism gets.

Oh, and the guy who suggested on the subject of economics you should go academic and "humble yourself to what you are trying to study" - holy shit was he right. I taught myself a few things about the Fed and was inspired to do so only after wiping your foam from my screen. For whatever it's worth, I too think you should scholar up, accept some ambiguities of reality and teach more on the subject.

I apologize for monopolizing your Christmas.

-r

Rick Reuben wrote:Has Ian Mackaye ever said a word about the Federal Reserve? No? Then he's a fool. A fraud who picks safe battles and wraps himself in safe politically-correct populism that pathologically avoids the root of all miseries: the perpetual robbery of wealth from labor by the elites who manipulate the economy like a chessboard.

It almost all comes down to this, where Rick Reuben calls Ian Mackaye an idiot. But then it gets to this.

This is a rebellion by the most intelligent of the population.

And they will out-think everyone else.

Nothing sums up the mindset better. Thanks for quoting that, Rick.

Rick Reuben wrote:

warmowski wrote: I taught myself a few things about the Fed

Ready for quiz time yet,

Okay, quiz time it is.

Rick Rueben wrote:1-Do you think the 16th amendment is constitutional?

It's constitutional enough for your clown-ass libertarian to get his share of the federal loot the amendment collects from me up in Illinois[url=http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/allpolitics/0706/popup.congress.earmarks/pdfs/tx.14.paul.pdf] when he wrote this:
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Congressman Ron Paul wrote:
April 25, 2007

Mr Chairman Oliver ad Ranking Member Knollenberg:

I am requesting funding for the Texas Clipper reconfiguration project in fiscal year 2008. The entity to receive funding for this project is Texas A&M University/Galveston Campus, PO Box 1675; Galveston, Texas 77553-1675

The funding would be used by to convert the ship for educational purposes.

I certify that neither I, nor my spouse have any financial interest in this project.

Sincerely, Ron Paul

Rick Rueben wrote:
2- Do you think the 16th amendment was properly ratified?

It was ratified enough for your Reaganite suckass libertarian to bring home the dollars to the Texas 14th district when he wrote:

Congressman Ron Paul wrote:March 8, 2007

Mr. Chairman, and Ranking member Hobson,

I am requesting funding for GIWW, Mouth Of The San Bernard River CG/OM in fiscal year 2008. The entity to receive funding for this project is the Galveston District UASACE, located at PO Box 1229, Galveston, TX 77553-1229.

The funding would be used for the opening of the San Bernard River.

I certify that neither I nor my spouse have any financial interest in this project.

Ron Paul

Rick Rueben wrote:3- Do you think wages fit the definition of income, and are thus taxable?

I, like your trash-big-government-while-on-the-campaign-trail hypocritical fuck candidate sure do think so. He certainly thinks so - he got some of my Illinois wages for Texas nursing when he wrote

Congressman Ron Paul wrote:
Mr. Chairman Obey and Ranking Member Walsh,

I am requesting funding for Regional Innovations in Nursing Education in Fiscal Year 2008. The entity to received funding for this project is the University Of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston 301 University Boulevard, Galveston, TX 77555-0144.

The funding would be used for converting to a web-based and data-driven automated system for nursing students on the Texas Gulf Coast.

I certify that neither I nor my spouse have any financial interest in this project.

Ron Paul

Rick Rueben wrote:4- Do you think the IRS is a government agency?

Well, they're not a car wash. And your right-wing libertarian firebrand candidate somehow could put aside his fake-populist froth long enough to look for their allegedly filthy, morally repugnant interstate-collected funds when he wrote,

Congressman Ron Paul wrote:
March 8, 2007

Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member Hobson:

I am requesting funding for Mitchell's Cut Channel in fiscal year 2008. The entity to receive funding for this project is the Galveston District USACE, located at PO Box 1229, Galveston, TX 77553-1229.

The funding would be used for general investigations.

I certify that neither I nor my spouse have any financial interest in this project.

Ron Paul

Rick Rueben wrote:5- Do you think the Federal Reserve is a government agency?

No. They are a network of many private banks that comprise a privately-held central bank. Banks such as the kind that take deposits from universities and government agencies that have their Congressman secure them IRS-"siezed" federal funding such as the above, plus the dozens and dozens of other examples this fiscal year and the hundreds if not thousands in the 18-year congressional career of your allegedly states-rights no-government candidate. Who is publicly full of shit.

Rick Rueben wrote:6- Do you *not* think that both the Fed and the IRS are private corporations, and do you *not* think that the IRS is the Fed's collection agency?

Ron Paul and I agree on this: the legal status of the IRS and the Fed are no barrier to his Galveston projects being funded by my Chicago withholdings. Like this:

Congressman Ron Paul wrote:
March 12, 2007

Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member Rogers:

I am requesting funding for the Galveston Rail Causeway Bridge, Galveston Couty, Texas in fiscal year 2008. The entity to receive funding for this project is the US Coast Guard, 2100 2nd St SW, Washington, DC 20593.

The funding would be used for funding a railway bridge replacement.

I certify that neither I nor my spouse have any financial interest in this project.

Ron Paul

Hey, is the government off our backs yet?

Rick Rueben wrote:
7- What do you think happened in 1933?

1933 marked the 56th year preceding Ron Paul's first appropriation of dirty, morally repugnant federal tax money in 1989. That appropriation might well have looked like this one in 2007:

Congressman Ron Paul wrote:
March 9, 2007

Chairman Mollohan and Ranking Member Freylingheusen:

I am requesting funding for Wild American Shrimp Marketing. The entity to receive funding for this project is the American Shrimp Industry through NOAA, which is located at 14th Street & Constitution Avenue NW, Room 6217, Washington DC, 20230.

The funding would be used for the marketing of Wild American Shrimp.

I certify that neither I nor my spouse have any financial interest in this project.

Ron Paul

And it's probably true that he doesn't have any personal interest in that shrimp marketing funding. But you'd have to be a natural born idiot, or libertarian, to think he had no reelection interest in it.

Libertarians are idiots who fall for jerkoff fantasies of radical self-reliance. The less they know about how government actually works, the more likely they are to jump up and down and peep about how we don't need it.

Just don't jump on any bridges, for fucks sake.

-r

Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist. This smear the Libertarian bullshit is just an attempt to sidetrack the argument from the role of government vis-a-vis taxes, defense, and welfare to one of "Oh look a that guy, he's a Libertarian whack-job".

85 pages, nobody's changed their minds, and why am I surprised?

warmowski wrote:(...the straight dope and the ugly truth)

Oh, SNAP


-A

Rick Reuben wrote:

jay weidner 12-24-07 wrote:Huckabee's "Paul is dead" quote

that's a good one. i huckabee.

Even on Christmas it's full steam ahead.

Rick Reuben wrote:
One answer

Don't forget to count how many answers you get about hated public spending in the Texas 14th district from the clown with the two decades-old federal-dollar milk mustache.

That'd be the clown running for president on the kill-the-IRS-but-not-just-yet platform.

To sum up: Fuck right-wingers: therefore, fuck Ron Paul. Fuck libertarians: therefore, fuck Ron Paul.

You, on the other hand: please don't change. Not one turgid phrase, not one glistening, supple ad hominem, not a single exhilarating conflation or partial-quote abortion. The next 10,000 posts just won't be as entertaining as the first 10,000 otherwise.

-r

crap, here's to hoping he goes 3rd party and becomes the new perot/nader...