krakabash wrote:Amos 9:11-12,15

"On that day I will raise up the booth of David that is fallen,
and repair it's breaches, and raise up it's ruins,
and rebuild it as in the days of old
in order that they may posses the remnants of Edom
and all the nations who are called by my name,
says the Lord...
...and I will plant them upon their land,
and they shall never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them
says the Lord, your God."

May 14,1948 was the Day.
A nation was "(re)born in a day". (Isaiah 66)

And it is NEVER going away again.

NEVER going away again. so there.

(so should we file this one under chest-beating nationalism, rabid ethnocentrism, or religious fanaticism?)

krakabash wrote:Amos 9:11-12,15

"On that day I will raise up the booth of David that is fallen,
and repair it's breaches, and raise up it's ruins,
and rebuild it as in the days of old
in order that they may posses the remnants of Edom
and all the nations who are called by my name,
says the Lord...
...and I will plant them upon their land,
and they shall never again be plucked up
out of the land that I have given them
says the Lord, your God."

May 14,1948 was the Day.
A nation was "(re)born in a day". (Isaiah 66)

And the quest for Lebensraum continues: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... dChannel=0

Blacks in South Africa, in spite of Apartied, were and are for the most part willing to share South Africa with Whites. That is honorable. (And is Christian in character.)
The Arabs, etc. for the most part are NOT willing to share Palestine with Jews.
(And not all of them are like that. There are plenty who support Israel, and don't get heard in the public forum much.)
There is nothing Apartied about Palestine.
It's lazy to say so, and dumb to think so.
So give that bullshit up already.

The Israeli's just want to be left alone for the most part.
Jews are Tribal. PEOPLE are Tribal.
That is real life.
They are one of the oldest continuous cultures going.
Why should they bend over backwards repeatedly for people that want to kill them; that say they have no right to be in Palestine, and should have been put on a reservation in Europe or something. (A thorn in the side of the World! Some of the most intelligent people. Some of the biggest contributors to charity worldwide. etc. etc.)
Nationalistic? Sure. Ethnic proud? Sure. Religious? Hell Yeah!
Because the Lord is real.
Better than a moon god. A corn god. A rock n roll wannabe god. A god that wants it's female followers to be prostitutes. An illiterate god. A god that could care less about people.
Deny it all you want.
The God of the Bible is real.
The Heavens are His throne and the Earth is His footstool.
He made them and they are His.
His plan will be done,
and His promises will be kept.
His chosen people will have that land forever.

Israel is not going away.
Lot's of them may be killed, but they will never be eliminated.
God will triumph because He is GOD.

Life is hiearchy, and someone has to be at the top.
God says it will be a decendant of Abraham thru Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and David. (Not Ishmael. Not Esau. Not anyone else.)
A true Prince of Peace will be King of Kings, for Eternity.
And that His eternal throne will be in Jerusalem.

Like Gregory Corso says.
If you think that you have no eternal spirit, than you truely are Spirit
Sick.

God knows what He is doing.
Enjoy or die.

That's crazy.
You would think that Allah (most compassionate and merciful) would have exceedingly blessed the Palestinians and Arabs for all the fighting against Israel they have done in his name.
All it has done is lose them more land.

I have never said that the Israeli's do everything right and never wrong.
Nor do I have to accept that the Palestinians are always right.


(If you want to continue with the Apartied issue: I meant that the blacks of South Africa have shared the land with Whites since the end of minority rule. To there credit. And benefit.
What the Europeans of colonialism did was what is natural to do. There was no internation law that said they could not conquer. Conquest is the way of nature and was the way of the world. You conquered and then set up a system to hold what you got. That was completely normal.)

If the Palestinians can't get their shit together, then there really is no good reason Israel should not have Gaza, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, etc. as part of their state.
Maybe Israel are blessed more because they truely care about the land more. Maybe because their God is real.

The Palestinians/Arabs can keep fighting Israel if they want.
(They will. More power to them.)

What I'm saying is that it will not do them any good.

krakabash wrote:Israel is not going away.
Lot's of them may be killed, but they will never be eliminated.
God will triumph because He is GOD.

God knows what He is doing.
Enjoy or die.

Um don't get me wrong here... I support the right of the Israeli state to exist etc. but to you seriously think that this god of yours is some kind of omnipotent real estate agent?

This god seem a rather small and petty one. Has it nothing better to do than pissing around the Mediterranean?

Oh, and modern Zionism is secular at the least and atheistic at its best. Theodor Herzl was an atheist and the founders of the modern Jewish state were secular socialists.

The success of Zionism in the 20th century was down to people of reason, not people of the book. Pinning Yahweh to modern Israel is post-rationalization at it's worst.

We have no more reason to believe in Yahweh than any other Iron Age deity.

Gramsci wrote:

krakabash wrote:Israel is not going away.
Lot's of them may be killed, but they will never be eliminated.
God will triumph because He is GOD.

God knows what He is doing.
Enjoy or die.

Um don't get me wrong here... I support the right of the Israeli state to exist etc. but to you seriously think that this god of yours is some kind of omnipotent real estate agent?

Gramsci, we've had our spats and everything but I advise you go and look at a few more of this fellas posts. He's either a troll or he's batshit crazy and truly not worth indulging.

I suspect the latter.

Just saying.

floog wrote:And the quest for Lebensraum continues: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... dChannel=0

Why must people constantly use nazi comparisons to critizize the state of Israel? It's a horrible demonisation. Don't you have at least a little respect for the feelings of Jews and especially the survivors of the Holocaust and their descendants?

The nazi demonisation is not only extremly offensive but also totally wrong.
You know how a "quest for lebensraum" looks? If Israel was Nazi Germany, there'd be no more arabs in the occupied territories. They'd all be dead, every last one of them. Look what the Germans did to Warsaw and you get the idea how they'd handle the situation in Westbank and Gaza.

jimmy carter went over there and met with hamas... wtf??

it's good he wrote that book

Earwicker wrote:Gramsci, we've had our spats and everything but I advise you go and look at a few more of this fellas posts. He's either a troll or he's batshit crazy and truly not worth indulging.

I suspect the latter.

Just saying.

Actually I'd already assumed to was another frequent post here on EA... whose name I shall not mention.