Mark Simms wrote:You were listening to Bush?

haha, it took my a minute to remember who they are.

"I am Gavin Rosedale, and I am Bush"

is great on several now-classic 1970s albums by Brian Eno. Just because the man has peddled a lot of crap over the decades doesn't mean he's not a good drummer.

Don't get me wrong, 'Easy Lover' is a great song and respect too for sticking with Gretsch for so long.

Chris, are you gonna break my heart again and say you hate ALL forms of jazz as well as Don Cab?

Chris Hardings wrote:

I don't like Don Caballero. at all. Metal is not something I am interested in.

Late period Don Caballero is pretty far from metal. To be honest, I don't like their earlier "metal" stuff (the first two albums) as much as I do their later stuff.

Mark Simms wrote: Chris, are you gonna break my heart again and say you hate ALL forms of jazz as well as Don Cab?

I don't hate Jazz. I do think it's dead and not going to be reinvented. Similarly to blues. The riff to "Bad to the Bone" for example, has been used hundreds of times with the same melody but different lyrics (even by the same band?!)
If i took the first four chords (or all four chords) of Smells Like Teen Spirit and wrote a song with even a remotely similar melody, I'd have Courtney Love shoving her loud mouth's lawyer down my throat within days.

as far as Don Caballero goes, i think they're incredibly talented. It's more of a feeling like I just want to here something not so technical. I don't think they should stop. I just don't like to listen to music I have to concentrate on.

and what's this "break my heart again" buisness? are you upset that i admitted to bobbing my head to Bush?
I didn't say they were my favorite band by any stretch of the imagination. Actually I've been listening to Pig Pile lately.
I just kind like how every song starts with "One Two Fuck You"

Chris

I actually think it was Keith Levene who coined the "Three mistake" rule. It makes WAY more sense with PiL, too than with the Cure (who are crap, no matter how much I like them).

Personally, I love the warts and all. A Minor Forest has a shitload of them, all over the place, and I think it's really great. Particularly in a "precise" band like that.

Ike in Kazoo

the mistakes are usually the best parts

it's like when someone was talking to neil young about his guitar going out of tune: "go out of tune? i was _already_ in tune."

sometimes the place you end up is more interesting than the place you meant to go

I think (technical) 'mistakes' are critical to recordings; they make the division between the 'real' and the imagined space of music.
A complete recording will give you a spatial idea of music ( like: people playing instruments in a room). A mistake can disrupt this FALSE image.;
Wathever it is you think you're hearing isn't a real situation; even if it's recorded live!!!
You can hear something out of place and it will change that image and become more interesting.
I really like it when you can suddenly hear the equipment on a recording;
like a guitaramp buzzing or the switch of a BigMuff (wich is in every recording i ever made!) or someone hitting a mike.
As far a as 'wrong' notes go; there's no such thing!!

cheers,

Cstof

alex wrote:My most recent encounter with this phenomenon was during repeated playings of Interpol while I was trying to understand what their appeal was. That song "untitled" has the most flagrantly wrong note in it--when the bass should go down to an A but he goes to G#. It's repeated over and over too so it's not accidental. What were they thinking?

Not sure I'm understanding the thinking behind "flagrantly wrong" notes, and that "the bass should go down to an A but he goes to G#" in this particular song.

Why should the bass do what you say it should do? Could you explain why it sounds wrong, please?

Good point. Shellac's "New Number Order" is full of flatted 5ths. I think that song is great. even partially because of the flatted 5ths. So it's all in context. I am not familiar with that particular Interpol song (being that i don't really like the band).


Chris

darktowel wrote:I think (technical) 'mistakes' are critical to recordings; they make the division between the 'real' and the imagined space of music.
A complete recording will give you a spatial idea of music ( like: people playing instruments in a room). A mistake can disrupt this FALSE image.;
Wathever it is you think you're hearing isn't a real situation; even if it's recorded live!!!
You can hear something out of place and it will change that image and become more interesting.
I really like it when you can suddenly hear the equipment on a recording;
like a guitaramp buzzing or the switch of a BigMuff (wich is in every recording i ever made!) or someone hitting a mike.

I think this is a particularly relevant post, this being the forum and all.