wot wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 9:54 pm counterpoint: cool shit is going on all across the world even as we speak, human experience will continue to fuel human expression, every generation will celebrate their own Dionysian rituals next to dimed speakers while ingesting multiple substances.

Simon Reynolds, VJs, tech bubble solipsism blah blah blah those people never did jack shit for music anyways.

Well, I think you’re dead wrong if you think media / distribution / promotion have nothing to do w/ music or how we get to hear it.

Of course my pessimism could be misplaced, but I see little evidence to the contrary. I don’t think we got over massive burnout that ended the decadence dance of the late 90’s / early noughties combined w/ tech decimating the economy surrounding music around the same time. The arts in general have suffered from this, but music more than most.

I’m purposefully avoiding “rock-iz-ded” cliches as predictions are for chumps but I am 100% confident when I say that rock culture has significantly wound down in the last twenty years while I’ve been obsessed with it– less of it, much less interesting, nothing evolving.

There was a while when I used to think that the live experience would somehow remain sacrosanct and would separate the wheat from the chaff, but even the few hardcore shows I’d attend pre-pandemic (perennially unfashionable scene, apolitical macho spaces where the premium was to make the audience kick off – experiences worth experiencing in person, in other words) had become infected by the same listless apathy that had driven me away from the more mainstream circuit.

Everything has a time, everything ends.

Maybe the 50s or 40s will come back. Getting a bit tired of 80s nostalgia.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 2:50 pm

Oh god, I can't stand that nasally back-of-the-throat "nyyuh" style of feminine singing. It's the new yarling.

All I know is folks'll keep making it, and folks'll keep listening. All the theorizing etc. is pretty irrelevant to me.

Hopefully I'll still have friends who make it, find it, and share it 20 years from now, just like my Pop does. Because, I know that as long as I can hear, I'll be listening. There's never not been something interesting to discover, new or old.

There a fraction of the global population that thrives and is inspired by anything that is not the main thing. Sometimes hearing something that is not the main thing is just enough to keep listening and then it sinks its teeth in. I don't think this fraction will ever stop existing. Where an interest in the other is more important than consumption of the most centered thing. I am not preaching any sort of anti-mainstream rhetoric or anything. It's just a matter of fact that some people are pushed into the corner with their interest and they love it. There will always be fans of sweaty shitty angry difficult music in whatever form that takes forever until the earth explodes. I don't think there is anything as glib as computers made by the government force feeding us diddys about how its best to ride on the right side of the road. The future of music is pretty much going to be what it is now just with more content and some of that content will be really confusing to both parties.

For some reason I'm not enthusiastic about music made by AI because it could easily learn from the worst music around and come up with something even worse, but that's possible then that means it could also come up with something better than the best music in the world. Which would be cool.

I would like it if technology makes it possible for us to communicate better with animals so that we could teach dolphins and octopuses and crows and shit how to play music, they got weird amazing brains and could probably make some wild sounding shit.

99% of what will be commercially available will still be terrible.

Some people will still make genuinely good music.

Most folks will still unnecessarily look to others’ praise to measure their own sense of artistic worth.

Tar and Arcwelder will still be criminally underappreciated.

Jon

I'm just waiting for somebody to write the algorithm that compares every copyrightable piece of music to every other piece of music and automatically sues every artist to oblivion. Maybe that's what Hipgnosis are going to do once they have finished buying up the rights to every boomer band.

As for kids making music on their laptops, sure that's cool and legitimate. But it's sadly also missing what - to me - is the best and most exciting thing about music, either as a participant or consumer... and that is PLAYING LIVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE. We're in an era where production rules and performance is sidelined. But I'm not really into tempo-locked rhythms and DAW collages. Modern popular music seems like it was designed to be experienced on a phone, not on a stage.

Anthony Flack wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:18 am I'm just waiting for somebody to write the algorithm that compares every copyrightable piece of music to every other piece of music and automatically sues every artist to oblivion.

YouTube already has that, of a fashion, and predictably heavy-handed it is too.

I know, it has already mis-tagged one of my pieces of music as being something else.

But I mean straight up compare every melody in the archive against every other melody in the archive, not just against hapless content uploaders but an all-out AI-driven battle royale between all recorded music to establish categorically who put the bomp in the bomp, bomp, bomp and who can sue for royalties.