Krev wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:07 pm Honestly, I think Phil's vocals often detracted from the quality riffage on that record.
Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
71Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
72+1Krev wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:07 pm Honestly, I think Phil's vocals often detracted from the quality riffage on that record.
Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
73Nah, totally different kettle of fish - their weird amalgamation of various post-punk / sub-cult influences (lots of Killing Joke as the base but there's thrash, funk, maybe a bit of prog and disco spice from Roddy) was too multifaceted and idiosyncratic, even though (via sheer talent) they made it work in a big rock context, esp on The Real Thing.Krev wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:53 pm Faith No More's Angel Dust split the difference between the two in many ways.
But they were too perverse / smart / cynical to just rock like mainstream facing, hard rock dudes in the aforementioned bands (no bad thing) and you kinda saw that when they influenced a separate sub-genre of bands like Korn and Deftones and the nu-metal legions that followed them.
That dumbed down take on FNM definitely influenced the mainstream rock world though - to the point where you even had a post nu-metal flavours of AIC (Godsmack) and Pantera (Five Finger Death Punch) - functional but monochromatic music.
Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
74He's great on that (and the second Down album which I also rate) but IMO he's playing most to type on the Down records, whereas the music is way more rich and lyrical than I would have expected from the dudes behind C.O.C and Crowbar - almost like a southern flavour of the Obsessed brew.numberthirty wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:50 pm You can be one of the most capable dipshits that has ever set foot in the game as long as you sing just "Bury Me In Smoke" and "Stone The Crow" the way he did on that record.
Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
75I'd take Crowbar's discography over AIC or Pantera, fwiw. So much underrated stuff there.
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Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
76They literally named the record NOLA...M.H wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:54 amHe's great on that (and the second Down album which I also rate) but IMO he's playing most to type on the Down records, whereas the music is way more rich and lyrical than I would have expected from the dudes behind C.O.C and Crowbar - almost like a southern flavour of the Obsessed brew.numberthirty wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:50 pm You can be one of the most capable dipshits that has ever set foot in the game as long as you sing just "Bury Me In Smoke" and "Stone The Crow" the way he did on that record.
Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
78Tough call. AIC is a better band, I think. But once a year I spend a day with VULGAR, I really don't do that with AIC.
Today happens to be that day.
Plus, the existence of the VULGAR VIDEOS puts Pantera over the edge for me.
What a dumb fucking band.
Today happens to be that day.
Plus, the existence of the VULGAR VIDEOS puts Pantera over the edge for me.
What a dumb fucking band.
Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
79I know there was a lot more going on, but it definitely crossed some of Pantera's aggro elements with AIC's funk-metal-isms. I don't think it was intentional. With that said, it's still a good record.M.H wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:49 amNah, totally different kettle of fish - their weird amalgamation of various post-punk / sub-cult influences (lots of Killing Joke as the base but there's thrash, funk, maybe a bit of prog and disco spice from Roddy) was too multifaceted and idiosyncratic, even though (via sheer talent) they made it work in a big rock context, esp on The Real Thing.Krev wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:53 pm Faith No More's Angel Dust split the difference between the two in many ways.
But they were too perverse / smart / cynical to just rock like mainstream facing, hard rock dudes in the aforementioned bands (no bad thing) and you kinda saw that when they influenced a separate sub-genre of bands like Korn and Deftones and the nu-metal legions that followed them.
That dumbed down take on FNM definitely influenced the mainstream rock world though - to the point where you even had a post nu-metal flavours of AIC (Godsmack) and Pantera (Five Finger Death Punch) - functional but monochromatic music.
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Re: Alice in Chains v.s Pantera
80I owned both on cassette when I was seventeen but haven't (knowingly) listened to anything by either band since probably 1995 and wasn't going to vote.numberthirty wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:14 pm Never mind that "Cemetery Gates" is the fifth tune on The Queen Is Dead and Cowboys From Hell.
FM numberthirty's post made me laugh, though, so I'm going with Pantera