Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:10 am I still think it's missing the forest. The rich are getting richer at a faster rate than ever at the expense of someone. That one of the someones got pissed enough to do this isn't a reflection of the belief system of the shooter, it is a symptom of rampant greed that won't be addressed if we dissect his worldview and layer our own biases on top.

I think any reasonable person would agree that Brian what's his name leaving scraps of a steak that cost $1000 on his plate for a waiter to whisk into the trash while his literal customers die in the streets is as good a place to begin asking questions as any.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote:

Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:10 am I still think it's missing the forest. The rich are getting richer at a faster rate than ever at the expense of someone. That one of the someones got pissed enough to do this isn't a reflection of the belief system of the shooter, it is a symptom of rampant greed that won't be addressed if we dissect his worldview and layer our own biases on top.

I think any reasonable person would agree that Brian what's his name leaving scraps of a steak that cost $1000 on his plate for a waiter to whisk into the trash while his literal customers die in the streets is as good a place to begin asking questions as any.

And that, is that.

Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:30 am In truth, the Lockheed and Raytheon leaders should be the ones really shaking in their boots or loafers or whatever people wear.

Frankie99 wrote: Hinkley and Manson did not have such specific targets, and as such I disagree with the comparison. You might draw parallels to Koresh, McVeigh and Randall Weaver, but I think even that falls apart pretty quick.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:19 am

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote:

Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:10 am I still think it's missing the forest. The rich are getting richer at a faster rate than ever at the expense of someone. That one of the someones got pissed enough to do this isn't a reflection of the belief system of the shooter, it is a symptom of rampant greed that won't be addressed if we dissect his worldview and layer our own biases on top.

I think any reasonable person would agree that Brian what's his name leaving scraps of a steak that cost $1000 on his plate for a waiter to whisk into the trash while his literal customers die in the streets is as good a place to begin asking questions as any.

And that, is that.

Except that subsets of Americans have historically pinned similar hopes on everyone from John Hinckley Jr. to Charles Manson (!). You just didn't have an internet then. In some ways, this is different, but in many, it's just part of a continuum.

zorg wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:41 am

Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:30 am In truth, the Lockheed and Raytheon leaders should be the ones really shaking in their boots or loafers or whatever people wear.

I think you're wrong here. For American's the healthcare thing is personal, the industrial military complex definitely not.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:53 am

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:19 am

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote:

And that, is that.

Except that subsets of Americans have historically pinned similar hopes on everyone from John Hinckley Jr. to Charles Manson (!). You just didn't have an internet then. In some ways, this is different, but in many, it's just part of a continuum.

Who said anything about pinning hopes?

Key, in bold. All I'm saying. If you're seriously disputing that, you've lost the plot.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:49 pm

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:53 am

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:19 am

Except that subsets of Americans have historically pinned similar hopes on everyone from John Hinckley Jr. to Charles Manson (!). You just didn't have an internet then. In some ways, this is different, but in many, it's just part of a continuum.

Who said anything about pinning hopes?

Key, in bold. All I'm saying. If you're seriously disputing that, you've lost the plot.

No disputing that part at all, bud. Was more a comment on OP's first part and the conversation in general. Carry on...