tmidgett wrote:salut, weeks-old feud!

I'm not trying to cause trouble or "win".

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of a situation that legitimately confuses me.

That is, why was this rule invoked in the Crede case when it isn't invoked in the Wilkerson case? To my eyes, the Wilkerson case was much more egregious, yet it wasn't called in this case -- and the Brewers didn't say a word. In fact, the big story this morning/today has been the location of Mike Adams' last pitch to Jeffrey Hammonds, and not Wilkerson's lean in. And I think that's right.

Because it is at the umpire's discretion whether or not to make that call, and very few actually do. That ump's previous feud/issues with Ozzie is most likely the reason why he decided to call it.

We were playing mound ball yesterday at the game.
It got less and less fun as the umpire had the touch of Jesus in keeping the ball on the mound 1/2 inning after 1/2 inning.

I did win $8 once though.

My eyes are still trying to get rid of the sun spots from all those bright, shiny, empty and glaring seats on a sunny 74 degree Wednesday afternoon, though.[/quote]

There is a missing piece of critical information here: During what inning were the lights turned on at RFK?

It is impossible to evaluate this situation without knowing all the facts.

6-4-3 wrote:We were playing mound ball yesterday at the game.
It got less and less fun as the umpire had the touch of Jesus in keeping the ball on the mound 1/2 inning after 1/2 inning.

I did win $8 once though.

My eyes are still trying to get rid of the sun spots from all those bright, shiny, empty and glaring seats on a sunny 74 degree Wednesday afternoon, though.

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I had a blast yesterday. It was definitely better than being at work. I couldn't believe how many Japanese fans were there I saw at least a dozen. I even led a pair of them back to their hotel so they wouldn't get lost. But, yeah for a beautiful afternoon like it was there were a assload of empty seats. But, not a bad game at all overall. Fuck the Rangers.

Angus Jung wrote:There is a missing piece of critical information here: During what inning were the lights turned on at RFK?

In light of receiving this casually dismissive non-response, it occurs to me how foolish I was to have assumed that this issue could be discussed with any level of emotional detachment.

I am hopelessly naive.

Be pleased with yourself, Angus Jung.

Buehrle was special yesterday. God I love pitchers who don't f around and just get it and throw. The Rangers just looked so lost at the plate.

How 'bout Uribe's pick in the hole and throw out at first? Tasty!

I actually had a good time too. Nancy Foust was kicking out the Journey jams, I won 5 bucks on the beige boots wearing guy during the jumbotron race, the Cubs came back in the 9th to win and the Wriglified ivy in center field was a nice touch of "home" for me as well.

Salut 74 degree Sox win, Konerko and Dye finally doing something with their lives and dozens of Japanese fans with stiff, non-broken-in Sox hats with tags still on them. Salut Sox marketing gurus!

The rumor is Brandon McCarthy and Joe Crede going to Oakland with Eric Chavez going to Chicago.

Please discuss.

Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:The rumor is Brandon McCarthy and Joe Crede going to Oakland with Eric Chavez going to Chicago.

Please discuss.

Well break it down. Joe Crede, a player who plays pretty well, at his peak will probably never do better than .290 25HR 80RBI, solid defensively.

Brandon McCarthy, an unknown quantity, impressive in spring training, pretty solid minor league numbers. Fine debut against the Cubs.

to Oakland for

Eric Chavez, a player who has never had what could be called an MVP year. Tejada and Giambi did but Chavez never had. A frustratingly slow starter, though a rock defensively.

Everybody knows what Crede is going to give you, I just can't see the Sox wasting Brandon McCarthy's potential on Eric Chavez. I mean if you're going to make this sort of deal get Gagne or Lidge in return, someone who fills a noticeable hole. I mean look at the success of the other Oakland transplants in Chicago, Billy Koch? Miguel Olivo? Jermaine Dye?

Eric Chavez, a player who has never had what could be called an MVP year. Tejada and Giambi did but Chavez never had. A frustratingly slow starter, though a rock defensively.

this would be a ludicrously lopsided trade in favor of the Sox. Joe Crede is never going to manifest into anything worthwhile. a career .304 OBP and .434 SLG in the majors? disgusting. that, plus an unproven (though tantalizing, i'll admit) prospect pitcher in McCarthy, for Chavez - who is an MVP-caliber player over the long-term, and still in the prime of his youth? if i were the A's, i'd be looking to get a lot more for Chavez than that, particularly given that Crede would be a stopgap, which is exactly what the A's DON'T need. they're not going to contend this year, so why get a filler player who's less than adequate anyway?

I mean look at the success of the other Oakland transplants in Chicago, Billy Koch? Miguel Olivo? Jermaine Dye?

there's no evidence whatsoever that the White Sox should shy away from ex-Oakland players. Koch was an Athletic for one year after much time logged in Toronto, if anything the A's caught what was left of his value before and then traded him for a far, far better pitcher in Foulke. Olivo, to my knowledge, never played for Oakland - and also did quite well in Chicago before moving on. Dye had been horrid for the past three years, there shouldn't be any surprises in this year's "performance." to suggest that the way any of these players performed after making their way to chicago should either be a data point in favor of the A's hitting/pitching coaches, or an indictment of the Sox's own instructors - although there's no link between any of them so it's a moot point.

regardless, the A's won't make this trade - they need offense even more than they do pitching, and they're not shooting for this year, so it simply won't go down.