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51 by Bradley R Weissenberger_Archive
tmidgett wrote:i can't imagine the a's giving anyone money in a trade like that

It's a big contract though, so I'd at least ask for it. If you look at the Kendall deal, Oakland seems to be sending money to Pittsburgh for now with money coming back later. Not big money, but money nonetheless.

And maybe it's worth $X to the new ownership to get rid of Chavez's contract. This is something that I do not know.

But I'm with you. Oakland wouldn't send money in a Chavez deal. But I'd still push the issue a little bit.

Keep in mind that Billy Beane loves the three-way deal. So don't ignore the Adam Dunn factor in all of this.

Jermaine Dye

53 by Angus Jung
Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:
Keep in mind that Billy Beane loves the three-way deal. So don't ignore the Adam Dunn factor in all of this.


This is a good thing to keep in mind. Other things to keep in mind:

-Billy Beane is intensely competitive
-Billy Beane is not terribly patient
-Billy Beane loves to do big things
-Adam Dunn is the type of player Billy Beane tends to covet

Something interesting is very likely to happen, but it'll probably be something we never saw coming.

Jermaine Dye

54 by Bradley R Weissenberger_Archive
Angus Jung wrote:You don't salary-dump a 27 year old player whose career arc is right in line with Mike Schmidt.

I see a lot of Bob Horner and Scott Rolen, but no Mike Schmidt.

Anyway, whether or not it's a salary dump or a decision not to resign a player, which, in essence, is a salary dump, recent A's history is filled with players who arrived in or left Oakland due to these circumstances: Jermaine Dye (similar to Frank Thomas, Larry Walker), Johnny Damon (Pete Rose, Rickey Henderson), Jason Giambi (Hack Wilson), Miguel Tejada (Cal Ripken Jr.).

Even Jason Kendall (Mickey Cochrane).

Teams do many things for many reasons. None of them are surprising to me anymore.

Now let us sit back and see how Billy Beane will blow our minds in 2005.

Jermaine Dye

55 by Angus Jung
Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:Anyway, whether or not it's a salary dump or a decision not to resign a player, which, in essence, is a salary dump, recent A's history is filled with players who arrived in or left Oakland due to these circumstances: Jermaine Dye (similar to Frank Thomas, Larry Walker), Johnny Damon (Pete Rose, Rickey Henderson), Jason Giambi (Hack Wilson), Miguel Tejada (Cal Ripken Jr.).


Which of those players were given new 6-year contracts by the Athletics before being dumped?

Answer: None.

Jermaine Dye is the only player on that list who was given a contract extension, and his was for 3 years.

Eric Chavez was given a 6-year contract at the beginning of this year. In essence, Billy Beane did for Chavez what he wouldn't do for those other star players. Eric Chavez is the chosen one.

The Athletics have a big, big investment in Eric Chavez. A big part of Billy Beane's reputation is riding on this decision. To dump Chavez would send a message that Beane's ego can't tolerate.

For the Athletics to turn their collective backs on this investment after two months of crapola from Chavez would really be mind-blowing. Especially when you have inevitable salary dumps coming up from other sources (in guys like Dotel).

Now let us sit back and see how Billy Beane will blow our minds in 2005.


Yes, let's do that!

Jermaine Dye

56 by vockins_Archive
Angus Jung wrote:Which of those players were given new 6-year contracts by the Athletics before being dumped?

Answer: None.
The length of the Chavez contract really prompted a "what the shit?" out of me. Not because of any of Chavez's qualities - the contract could have been given to anyone and I would have reacted the same way. The whole deal appeared very anti-Beane.

Jermaine Dye

57 by Bradley R Weissenberger_Archive
Angus Jung wrote:Especially when you have inevitable salary dumps coming up from other sources (in guys like Dotel).

One of the more memorable baseball-related comments made on this forum was when you offered Octavio Dotel to the Cubs in a straight trade for Derrek Lee. Oh how I laughed.

In terms of any rumored Chavez deal, you'll recall that Jon Garland was shipped to Anaheim for Darin Erstad a few years ago. That deal was even announced before Disney called it off. So I will hold my breath for Eric Chavez's arrival on the South Side.

By the way, who greenlighted the Chavez contract? The Schott regime? If so, I wonder how the new ownership will handle it -- and whether they view him as the "chosen one".

Jermaine Dye

58 by Angus Jung
vockins wrote:The length of the Chavez contract really prompted a "what the shit?" out of me. Not because of any of Chavez's qualities - the contract could have been given to anyone and I would have reacted the same way. The whole deal appeared very anti-Beane.


Billy Beane has personal attachments to players.

He hurt his team significantly by signing Scott Hatteberg to a contract extension, and he did it largely because he just really likes Scott Hatteberg (although just today, the Athletics FINALLY called up their slugging AAA first baseman Dan Johnson, which hopefully means Hatteberg is a pinch-hitter).

With Chavez, there is a definite father-son type of relationship. I mean, besides the fact that Chavez is a tremendously skilled player just entering his prime.

None of it would matter so much if the Athletics had any kind of a realistic budget to spend on players.

Jermaine Dye

59 by Angus Jung
Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:One of the more memorable baseball-related comments made on this forum was when you offered Octavio Dotel to the Cubs in a straight trade for Derrek Lee. Oh how I laughed.


It was obviously said in jest (the jest hinging on the stupidity of the Cubs), so I'm glad to hear that.

Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:By the way, who greenlighted the Chavez contract? The Schott regime? If so, I wonder how the new ownership will handle it -- and whether they view him as the "chosen one".


New ownership has made Billy Beane a part owner of the team. I think that tells you what they think of Beane's decision-making.

I just remembered that I hate the Oakland Athletics and hate talking about them. You guys have fun.
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