Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:52 am
by penningtron
Yeah they are not a convincing crustie/thrash metal band at all. Same nasal-y vocals and plastic production. They were better off as Canadian NOFX.
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:24 am
by Garth
It's kind of a shame Face to Face is in this thread about suckage. This is the one of the bands and this song in particular that made me more interested in that whole vein of California punk back as a young'n and it still rips.
...but to be perfectly honest, 99.99% of the other bands in this subgenre just did not get there at all or anywhere even close. They have almost all the same trappings but none of the goodness. I can't say what works about F2F for me that doesn't with the others but I guess if we're talking about punk we can just say "it doesn't suck and the other ones suck real bad" and leave it at that.
Like said up thread, why can't we select all?
Kinda surprised to see they put out another one a coupla years ago. This certainly better than most everything they did after their first one. Good for them!
When it comes to the later late-80s/early-90s California punk, for me it's Bad Religion - Suffer (and most of the early stuff heard on their odds-n-sods aside from that weird new wavey thing they did as their actual debut), a begrudging, somewhat embarrassed nod to Op Ivy, & Jawbreaker I guess belongs there too...and that's about it.
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:57 pm
by Charlie D
The band on this list that sucks the least is Social Distortion, based on the one song I've heard from them twenty years ago.
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:44 pm
by akosinski
Garth wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:24 am
It's kind of a shame Face to Face is in this thread about suckage. This is the one of the bands and this song in particular that made me more interested in that whole vein of California punk back as a young'n and it still rips.
...but to be perfectly honest, 99.99% of the other bands in this subgenre just did not get there at all or anywhere even close. They have almost all the same trappings but none of the goodness. I can't say what works about F2F for me that doesn't with the others but I guess if we're talking about punk we can just say "it doesn't suck and the other ones suck real bad" and leave it at that.
Like said up thread, why can't we select all?
Kinda surprised to see they put out another one a coupla years ago. This certainly better than most everything they did after their first one. Good for them!
When it comes to the later late-80s/early-90s California punk, for me it's Bad Religion - Suffer (and most of the early stuff heard on their odds-n-sods aside from that weird new wavey thing they did as their actual debut), a begrudging, somewhat embarrassed nod to Op Ivy, & Jawbreaker I guess belongs there too...and that's about it.
i'm sorry i brought up face to face, but it was only to point out how good they were.
like you said, nothing about them *should* work, but they just do. the bass and drums are really fucking good and the guitars typically keep it simple but kind of sneaky interesting.
the one thing about all of these bands is they will never break up. when i was a kid i just assumed all of these bands would break up in a few years after 3 albums and ALL of them still tour constantly which is wild.
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:40 pm
by dumbass
face to face is cringe af, can't believe anyone still listens to this dreck
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:13 pm
by Krev
dumbass wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:40 pm
face to face is cringe af, can't believe anyone still listens to this dreck
I agree. I went back and listened to them, and had the same reaction.
His music might be lame, but Mike Ness has the best guitar tone in this thread.
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:26 pm
by dumbass
Krev wrote:
dumbass wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:40 pm
face to face is cringe af, can't believe anyone still listens to this dreck
I agree. I went back and listened to them, and had the same reaction.
His music might be lame, but Mike Ness has the best guitar tone in this thread.
agreed, also weird to associate SD with these 90's pop punkers
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:35 am
by M.H
dumbass wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:26 pm
agreed, also weird to associate SD with these 90's pop punkers
I can kinda see the argument that even though SD are OG SoCal / OC HC (along w/ TSOL, Adolescents, Agent Orange etc) they kinda had a serious career upswing in the 90s when the rest of this stuff got big.
IMO SD really did the hard work pre-Nevermind (touring w/ Neil Young and Sonic Youth in 90), while the rest of this scene is very much a POST-Nevermind phenomenon. Very different attitude / audience too.
Bad Religion fit in the slot here more than SD.
Thinking about it, it's weird we haven't mentioned All or Descendents yet.
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:23 am
by ChudFusk
M.H wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:35 amBad Religion fit in the slot here more than SD.
Thinking about it, it's weird we haven't mentioned All or Descendents yet.
These three bands aren't in the poll because they don't suck.
Re: Which of these California PUNK bands sucks the most?
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:15 am
by losthighway
M.H wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:35 am
Bad Religion fit in the slot here more than SD.
Bad Religion started in 1983. Their roots have more in common with Minor Threat than Green Day. But I guess they're kind of the godfather's. Epitaph is like the model for Fat and I think one of the BR guys recorded 90% of the first wave of Warped Tour bands.
But yeah, they're way better than Offspring, not as cartoonish or bubblegummy as Green Day, and not as costumed as Rancid. Although GD and Rancid were better at hooks.