About two minutes into this video, it goes into exactly how a user selects an interface in Reaper.
That should let you go through the possibilities, and see if the interface turns up.
if it does?
I'd guess that you can assume that the interface is functioning correctly, and take it from there.
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:39 pm
by zircona1
Update: I plugged my headphones into the jack in my interface, and I can hear the playback a lot better in Audacity.
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:48 pm
by numberthirty
zircona1 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:39 pm
Update: I plugged my headphones into the jack in my interface, and I can hear the playback a lot better in Audacity.
(Setting aside that I have a soapbox with "Reaper..." painted on it...)
zircona1 wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:39 pm
Update: I plugged my headphones into the jack in my interface, and I can hear the playback a lot better in Audacity.
Is it also easier to hear in Oceanaudio?
Yes.
Microphone works a little better, but it's still not registering a whole lot of sound, and I'm hearing a lot of buzzing and clipping sounds when I go too loud.
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:14 am
by llllllllllllllllllll
Why am I getting noise in a channel when chaining multiple rack effects together using an insert y cable? The noise is like what I would imagine tape hiss or something to be. It’s not a show stopper - not all that audible - but when you mute the offending group it feels better that the noise is gone
I am going for an english 60s style tube limiter acoustic guitar sound.
Daw mono outs 1, 2, and 3 are all going to channels 1 - 3, then group 1-2 on my Midas Venice board. They are 3 different mics from a single previously recorded acoustic guitar performance. The levels aren’t crazy and they don’t have noise on their own.
Group 1 insert: insert y-cable send to audioscape la2a then regular xlr from la2a out to audioscape pultec in, output of the pultec returned at y-cable
That is exactly the sound I want but I get some noise when I do that. The compressor is not pumping hard on this at all - the needle is just showing 1-2 db compression at the loudest parts
Whenever I break up the rack effects like this, no noise:
Group 1 insert y cable la2a
Group 2 insert y cable pultec
I don’t want to break up the effects between group 1 and 2 because I am getting parallel processing happening - instead of the 3 tracks being compressed and then eq’d like I want, they’re splitting up into 1 group of compressed guitar and one group of eq guitar. Not the same thing. I want them in one group together
Sorry if none of this makes sense
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:52 am
by bassdriver
llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:14 am
Why am I getting noise in a channel when chaining multiple rack effects together using an insert y cable? The noise is like what I would imagine tape hiss or something to be. It’s not a show stopper - not all that audible - but when you mute the offending group it feels better that the noise is gone
I am going for an english 60s style tube limiter acoustic guitar sound.
Daw mono outs 1, 2, and 3 are all going to channels 1 - 3, then group 1-2 on my Midas Venice board. They are 3 different mics from a single previously recorded acoustic guitar performance. The levels aren’t crazy and they don’t have noise on their own.
Group 1 insert: insert y-cable send to audioscape la2a then regular xlr from la2a out to audioscape pultec in, output of the pultec returned at y-cable
That is exactly the sound I want but I get some noise when I do that. The compressor is not pumping hard on this at all - the needle is just showing 1-2 db compression at the loudest parts
Whenever I break up the rack effects like this, no noise:
Group 1 insert y cable la2a
Group 2 insert y cable pultec
I don’t want to break up the effects between group 1 and 2 because I am getting parallel processing happening - instead of the 3 tracks being compressed and then eq’d like I want, they’re splitting up into 1 group of compressed guitar and one group of eq guitar. Not the same thing. I want them in one group together
Sorry if none of this makes sense
Some sort of groundloop maybe? Have you tried other combinations of gear inserted? Can you lift the ground somewhere in the chain?
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:36 am
by Garth
this is an area I know nothing about but wondering if part of the issue might be that you've gone from unbalanced w/ the y cable to balanced w/ the xlr between the comp & eq and then back to unbalanced coming back in.
Backing up a step, obviously if you haven't already, should try switching out that xlr cable but yeah, IDK may want to consider staying in unbalanced between the comp/eq perhaps? Again, I've never understood this aspect of cable connections beyond knowing that longer runs should use balanced cables & as a result, I have (probably stupidly) avoided the issue by keeping my recording signal paths almost entirely balanced (and TBH nothing I do is super fancy with routing anyway, it's all pretty much straight into the box with the occasional comp after the preamp first).
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:56 am
by llllllllllllllllllll
Garth wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:36 am
this is an area I know nothing about but wondering if part of the issue might be that you've gone from unbalanced w/ the y cable to balanced w/ the xlr between the comp & eq and then back to unbalanced coming back in.
Backing up a step, obviously if you haven't already, should try switching out that xlr cable but yeah, IDK may want to consider staying in unbalanced between the comp/eq perhaps? Again, I've never understood this aspect of cable connections & I have avoided it by keeping my recording signal paths almost entirely balanced (and TBH nothing I do is super fancy with routing anyway, it's all pretty much straight into the box with the occasional comp after the preamp first).
That’s what I was wondering too, but I didn’t have the right xlr to 1/4 adapters to stick on a TS cable and wasn’t sure if I would fry something anyways… I did more trouble shooting below.
I am 100% with you on using the simpler routing schemes but just started to experiment with a few different techniques that I ended up liking. Its not completely broken at all, but it started to reveal some basic maintenance issues I need to resolve.
I might just try to find a different way to sum certain elements and then process in the mean time, I just like the flexibility.
llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:14 am
Why am I getting noise in a channel when chaining multiple rack effects together using an insert y cable? The noise is like what I would imagine tape hiss or something to be. It’s not a show stopper - not all that audible - but when you mute the offending group it feels better that the noise is gone
I am going for an english 60s style tube limiter acoustic guitar sound.
Daw mono outs 1, 2, and 3 are all going to channels 1 - 3, then group 1-2 on my Midas Venice board. They are 3 different mics from a single previously recorded acoustic guitar performance. The levels aren’t crazy and they don’t have noise on their own.
Group 1 insert: insert y-cable send to audioscape la2a then regular xlr from la2a out to audioscape pultec in, output of the pultec returned at y-cable
That is exactly the sound I want but I get some noise when I do that. The compressor is not pumping hard on this at all - the needle is just showing 1-2 db compression at the loudest parts
Whenever I break up the rack effects like this, no noise:
Group 1 insert y cable la2a
Group 2 insert y cable pultec
I don’t want to break up the effects between group 1 and 2 because I am getting parallel processing happening - instead of the 3 tracks being compressed and then eq’d like I want, they’re splitting up into 1 group of compressed guitar and one group of eq guitar. Not the same thing. I want them in one group together
Sorry if none of this makes sense
Some sort of groundloop maybe? Have you tried other combinations of gear inserted? Can you lift the ground somewhere in the chain?
No ground lift switches on this one. I went through and started jiggling stuff when I heard the faint noise again and it seemed to temporarily solve it.
I’ll try different insert cables next time it comes up, nut odds are my Midas Venice 320 needs basic maintenance, so I’ll play around with different group inserts as well. I found some so-so channel pres and faders that were easy enough to avoid, but I think some work is order now that I’m starting to rely on the master section more often. Hopefully a lot can be solved with careful cleaning because I’ve never swapped out faders or caps before. Unless I can find a guy to button it up locally, which I doubt.
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:03 pm
by Garth
llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:56 am
No ground lift switches on this one. I went through and started jiggling stuff when I heard the faint noise again and it seemed to temporarily solve it.
I’ll try different insert cables next time it comes up, nut odds are my Midas Venice 320 needs basic maintenance, so I’ll play around with different group inserts as well. I found some so-so channel pres and faders that were easy enough to avoid, but I think some work is order now that I’m starting to rely on the master section more often. Hopefully a lot can be solved with careful cleaning because I’ve never swapped out faders or caps before. Unless I can find a guy to button it up locally, which I doubt.
I think you have found the issue: bad or dirty jack - or possibly short in the cord. Y-cables are notorious for this.
This is assuming you jiggled where the cable connection met the board and not pots/faders on the board itself - if that's the case then yeah this will be a stickier wicket
Re: Small questions that don't fit anywhere
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:23 am
by Kniferide
llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:14 am
Why am I getting noise in a channel when chaining multiple rack effects together using an insert y cable?
Not to be Mr. Obvious but an insert cable is unbalanced so a little more prone to noise than a balanced connection. and as you chain multiple pieces of gear you are also stacking the noise floors of every piece of gear in the chain. Inserting any piece of gear into a channel is going to increase the noise floor and the more you got, the worse it's going to get. My Allen & Heath board insert path seems a little noisy. I changed a few of the direct out points to come from before the insert via a jumper and it made using the board preamps much quieter to use for recording. There is most probably some sort of (noisy) buffer amplifier on the return that I would guess gets bypassed when the insert jack isn't populated. I've mixed on a Venice 320 a bunch. It's roughly comparable to the A&H in vintage and price range so I bet they are filled with a lot of the same signal path design/components.