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clocker bob wrote:I argue for the vaccine link to remain part of the debate, and I also clearly state that it is an open question; the vaccine has not been proven to be the cause or proven not to be the cause.

I argue for the fairy dust link to remain part of the debate, and I also clearly state that it is an open question; fairy dust has not been proven to be the cause or proven not to be the cause.

TobiasTheCommie wrote:

clocker bob wrote:The cause of autism has not been defined.

false,
evidence: http://www.autism-resources.com/autismfaq-defi.html

Are you kidding? Who is the liar here, again? CAUSE!! A CAUSE of autism has not been defined! You linked to a list of symptoms that indicate autism???

Here's the paragraph on 'cause' from your link:

The symptoms are caused by physical disorders of the brain. They include:

1. Disturbances in the rate of appearance of physical, social and language skills.

2. Abnormal responses to sensations. Any one or a combination of senses or responses are affected: sight, hearing, touch, pain, balance, smell, taste, and the way a child holds his body.

3. Speech and language are absent or delayed while specific thinking capabilities might be present.

4. Abnormal ways of relating to people, objects and events.

SHOW ME WHERE IT TELLS ME HOW AUTISTIC
CHILDREN GOT THAT WAY.

Every autism site on the web has some variation of this paragraph:

What Causes Autism?: The bottom line is, no one really knows for sure what causes autism. Most experts will say that autism is probably caused by a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Even those experts, though, do not have a definite answer. For many people, this uncertainty is terribly frustrating. On the plus side, interest in and funding for autism research is on the rise, so new and better information should be forthcoming in the next months and years.

DO NOT TELL ME AGAIN THAT THE CAUSE OF AUTISM HAS BEEN DEFINED.

TobiasTheCommie wrote:

clocker bob wrote:I argue for the vaccine link to remain part of the debate, and I also clearly state that it is an open question; the vaccine has not been proven to be the cause or proven not to be the cause.

I argue for the fairy dust link to remain part of the debate, and I also clearly state that it is an open question; fairy dust has not been proven to be the cause or proven not to be the cause.

You're a biased little slimeball. You would tell the parents hunting for an explanation for their child's autism that mercury
( the second most poisonous metal on earth and a known agent of neorological disorders ) in vaccines belongs in the category of 'fairy dust'??

The only reason a liar like you is treated well on this forum is because you're an enemy of mine, so that makes you everyone's friend.

clocker bob wrote:

TobiasTheCommie wrote:

clocker bob wrote:The cause of autism has not been defined.

false,
evidence: http://www.autism-resources.com/autismfaq-defi.html

Are you kidding? Who is the liar here, again? CAUSE!! A CAUSE of autism has not been defined! You linked to a list of symptoms that indicate autism???

Sorry, my mistake, i was too quick on that one.

Oh well, a cause of autism has still been defined.

The defintion of "cause of autism" is.
Definitions of cause on the Web: "events that provide the generative force that is the origin of something"
Definitions of autism on the Web: "brain disorder that begins in early childhood and persists throughout adulthood; affects three crucial areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative play."

which means the definition of autism can be defined as "events that provide the generative force that is the origin of a brain disorder that begins in early childhood and persists throughout adulthood; affects three crucial areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative play."
Happy?

clocker bob wrote:

DO NOT TELL ME AGAIN THAT THE CAUSE OF AUTISM HAS BEEN DEFINED.

I will.

The defintion of "cause of autism" is.
Definitions of cause on the Web: "events that provide the generative force that is the origin of something"
Definitions of autism on the Web: "brain disorder that begins in early childhood and persists throughout adulthood; affects three crucial areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative play."

which means the definition of autism can be defined as "events that provide the generative force that is the origin of a brain disorder that begins in early childhood and persists throughout adulthood; affects three crucial areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative play."
Happy?


Besides for this one post(and i will admit it was an error on my part, i thought you said "autism haven't been defined", sorry about that) you have yet to argue against my evidence. I take this as proof that you can't argue against it and that i am correct and you just won't accept defeat.

clocker bob wrote:

TobiasTheCommie wrote:

clocker bob wrote:I argue for the vaccine link to remain part of the debate, and I also clearly state that it is an open question; the vaccine has not been proven to be the cause or proven not to be the cause.

I argue for the fairy dust link to remain part of the debate, and I also clearly state that it is an open question; fairy dust has not been proven to be the cause or proven not to be the cause.

You're a biased little slimeball. You would tell the parents hunting for an explanation for their child's autism that mercury
( the second most poisonous metal on earth and a known agent of neorological disorders ) in vaccines belongs in the category of 'fairy dust'??

The only reason a liar like you is treated well on this forum is because you're an enemy of mine, so that makes you everyone's friend.

I notice that you didn't argue against my evidence. I take this as proof that you can't argue against it and that i am correct and you just won't accept defeat.

Please show me how mercury is a more likely cause than fairy dust.

Please show that I'm a slimeball.

Please show that I'm a liar.

TobiasTheCommie wrote:I notice that you didn't argue against my evidence. I take this as proof that you can't argue against it and that i am correct and you just won't accept defeat.

You are on high powered crack. I JUST DID argue with your evidence. The ONE POINT I need to prove to keep my position, I proved: that there is no defined cause for autism, and that it is suspected to be the result of a combination of hereditary and environmental factors. Because the cause is an 'open question', I intend to keep a known neurological agent like mercury in the vaccines on the table as a possibility. You have an agenda, so you choose to cross vaccines off the list. That makes you a biased slimeball.

Please show me how mercury is a more likely cause than fairy dust.

Please show me 'fairy dust', slimeball. You can find sentences like this in a million textbooks:

Toxic metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium, etc. have been documented to be neurotoxic, according to U.S. Government agencies, and cause adverse health effects and learning disabilities to millions in the U.S. each year, especially children and the elderly.

tobias wrote:Please show that I'm a slimeball.

Please show that I'm a liar.

You are both, because you lie about the dangers of mercury.

You're failure to show that my evidence is wrong or even biased or untrustworthy should make it evident for everyone that you have nothing to base your argument on.

Also, you continued and unprovoked personal attacks make you look like a bad and insecure person.

I am sure that you can't just accept defeat or argue against the data.

There is nothing embarrassing about being wrong on an issue. You don't have to feel bad about being wrong on this, or any other, subject. I won't boast if you admit that my evidence is sound, i won't rub it in.

You have nothing to loose by admitting that my data is sound. Nothing at all. You won't be less of a man, it isn't embarrassing, there is nothing wrong with it. We have all been wrong on some issue at some point or another, that is how we learn, and better ourselves.

If, on the other hand, you choose to be stubborn and not learn, well, then nothing can be done, and you will forever be at this place in your life, never improving yourself, never getting anywhere, because you refuse to see any point besides your own. And without new ideas nothing will change.

I hope you will see reason soon and either step down from this discussion, or actually start having a discussion instead of attacking me.

And i would like to add that i have yet to attack you as a person

clocker bob wrote:

TobiasTheCommie wrote:I notice that you didn't argue against my evidence. I take this as proof that you can't argue against it and that i am correct and you just won't accept defeat.

You are on high powered crack. I JUST DID argue with your evidence. The ONE POINT I need to prove to keep my position, I proved: that there is no defined cause for autism, and that it is suspected to be the result of a combination of hereditary and environmental factors. Because the cause is an 'open question', I intend to keep a known neurological agent like mercury in the vaccines on the table as a possibility. You have an agenda, so you choose to cross vaccines off the list. That makes you a biased slimeball.

Please show me how mercury is a more likely cause than fairy dust.

Please show me 'fairy dust', slimeball. You can find sentences like this in a million textbooks:

Toxic metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium, etc. have been documented to be neurotoxic, according to U.S. Government agencies, and cause adverse health effects and learning disabilities to millions in the U.S. each year, especially children and the elderly.

tobias wrote:Please show that I'm a slimeball.

Please show that I'm a liar.

You are both, because you lie about the dangers of mercury.

You failed to show that mercury causes autism.

I notice that you didn't argue against my evidence. I take this as proof that you can't argue against it and that i am correct and you just won't accept defeat.

TobiasTheCommie wrote:

clocker bob wrote:

DO NOT TELL ME AGAIN THAT THE CAUSE OF AUTISM HAS BEEN DEFINED.

I will.

The defintion of "cause of autism" is.
Definitions of cause on the Web: "events that provide the generative force that is the origin of something"
Definitions of autism on the Web: "brain disorder that begins in early childhood and persists throughout adulthood; affects three crucial areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative play."

How hot is that glass pipe in your hand? You have confused symptoms and cause yet again. I KNOW the criteria for an autism diagnosis. What you cannot tell me is what PRODUCED those symptoms.

tobias wrote:which means the definition of autism can be defined as "events that provide the generative force that is the origin of a brain disorder that begins in early childhood and persists throughout adulthood; affects three crucial areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative play."
Happy?

Did I ASK you for a def-i-ni-tion??????? CAUSE! Look, if a brain with autism is like billiard balls on a table after the break, I need to know what the POOL CUE looks like! You are not describing the cause when you tell me shit like, "Look at all those balls flying around, that's autism".

And you are the JREF autism expert? You're worse than their 9/11 experts.

TobiasTheCommie wrote:
You failed to show that mercury causes autism.

I notice that you didn't argue against my evidence. I take this as proof that you can't argue against it and that i am correct and you just won't accept defeat.

I AM NOT ARGUING THAT THE CASE IS CLOSED! You are! I am arguing that mercury in vaccines belongs on the list of potential contributing causes of autism. I am arguing for CONTINUED STUDIES!

Follow this: until you can define the cause of autism, it is a display of bias to discard known neurological agents.