Except that subsets of Americans have historically pinned similar hopes on everyone from John Hinckley Jr. to Charles Manson (!). You just didn't have an internet then. In some ways, this is different, but in many, it's just part of a continuum.A_Man_Who_Tries wrote:And that, is that.Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:10 am I still think it's missing the forest. The rich are getting richer at a faster rate than ever at the expense of someone. That one of the someones got pissed enough to do this isn't a reflection of the belief system of the shooter, it is a symptom of rampant greed that won't be addressed if we dissect his worldview and layer our own biases on top.
I think any reasonable person would agree that Brian what's his name leaving scraps of a steak that cost $1000 on his plate for a waiter to whisk into the trash while his literal customers die in the streets is as good a place to begin asking questions as any.
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202Hinkley and Manson did not have such specific targets, and as such I disagree with the comparison. You might draw parallels to Koresh, McVeigh and Randall Weaver, but I think even that falls apart pretty quick.
I agree that in the end it is very unlikely that we see productive change from this directly. But not all societal changes have one or two precipitating causal events, and I think the march away from exploitation by resource criminals will be a series of unrelated events. This may be one of them, it may not.
I agree that in the end it is very unlikely that we see productive change from this directly. But not all societal changes have one or two precipitating causal events, and I think the march away from exploitation by resource criminals will be a series of unrelated events. This may be one of them, it may not.
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203I think you're wrong here. For American's the healthcare thing is personal, the industrial military complex definitely not.Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:30 am In truth, the Lockheed and Raytheon leaders should be the ones really shaking in their boots or loafers or whatever people wear.
janeway wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:52 am i do want to apologize if i offended anybody with my posts lately .. i was in denial of my impulses going wild
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204Well, yes and no. Hinckley kinda sorta did. And Manson certainly had an ideological target.Frankie99 wrote: Hinkley and Manson did not have such specific targets, and as such I disagree with the comparison. You might draw parallels to Koresh, McVeigh and Randall Weaver, but I think even that falls apart pretty quick.
But anyway, you heard the same kind of chorus about sparking change and really showing 'em re: both.
McVeigh is better comparison, yes. I mentioned him upthread a long time ago.
The most insightful thing about that Crucifucks song is that they spelled Hickley's name incorrectly.
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205Who said anything about pinning hopes?OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:19 amExcept that subsets of Americans have historically pinned similar hopes on everyone from John Hinckley Jr. to Charles Manson (!). You just didn't have an internet then. In some ways, this is different, but in many, it's just part of a continuum.A_Man_Who_Tries wrote:And that, is that.Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:10 am I still think it's missing the forest. The rich are getting richer at a faster rate than ever at the expense of someone. That one of the someones got pissed enough to do this isn't a reflection of the belief system of the shooter, it is a symptom of rampant greed that won't be addressed if we dissect his worldview and layer our own biases on top.
I think any reasonable person would agree that Brian what's his name leaving scraps of a steak that cost $1000 on his plate for a waiter to whisk into the trash while his literal customers die in the streets is as good a place to begin asking questions as any.
Key, in bold. All I'm saying. If you're seriously disputing that, you've lost the plot.
at war with bellends
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206I agree with this, but I think the elite have always taken class war more seriously than literally everyone else, if only because their entire existence depends on it. So, they’re noticing for sure.zorg wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:41 amI think you're wrong here. For American's the healthcare thing is personal, the industrial military complex definitely not.Frankie99 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:30 am In truth, the Lockheed and Raytheon leaders should be the ones really shaking in their boots or loafers or whatever people wear.
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207No disputing that part at all, bud. Was more a comment on OP's first part and the conversation in general. Carry on...A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:53 amWho said anything about pinning hopes?OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:19 amExcept that subsets of Americans have historically pinned similar hopes on everyone from John Hinckley Jr. to Charles Manson (!). You just didn't have an internet then. In some ways, this is different, but in many, it's just part of a continuum.A_Man_Who_Tries wrote:
And that, is that.
Key, in bold. All I'm saying. If you're seriously disputing that, you've lost the plot.
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208Just including the emboldened bit from FM Frankie99 again, for full context.OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:49 pmNo disputing that part at all, bud. Was more a comment on OP's first part and the conversation in general. Carry on...A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:53 amWho said anything about pinning hopes?OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:19 am
Except that subsets of Americans have historically pinned similar hopes on everyone from John Hinckley Jr. to Charles Manson (!). You just didn't have an internet then. In some ways, this is different, but in many, it's just part of a continuum.
Key, in bold. All I'm saying. If you're seriously disputing that, you've lost the plot.
I think any reasonable person would agree that Brian what's his name leaving scraps of a steak that cost $1000 on his plate for a waiter to whisk into the trash while his literal customers die in the streets is as good a place to begin asking questions as any.
at war with bellends
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210Sweaty.
clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.