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The bigger companies that churn more code are starting to realize that the promised "Golden Age of Using AI to Write Code And/Or South Asian Outsourcing So We Can Fire People Who Need More Than .000043% of Our Glorious CEO's Salary to Survive" was all smoke and mirrors and they're scrambling.

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tbone wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:58 pm I imagine at some point as a practicality we will all start assuming that this is probably the last thing we gotta mail to some asshole.

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dontfeartheringo wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:53 am The bigger companies that churn more code are starting to realize that the promised "Golden Age of Using AI to Write Code And/Or South Asian Outsourcing So We Can Fire People Who Need More Than .000043% of Our Glorious CEO's Salary to Survive" was all smoke and mirrors and they're scrambling.

I love this for them.
Yep! And the AI companies are starting to show signs that they know their ships are sinking. (Also good)

But for my own case, a lot of state government jobs and programs (where I went has a government component) tend to post at the same time, which creates a lot of hiring all at once.

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I'm in business software, and my specialty is in fundraising and nonprofit. Half my work is creating relatively small features and customizations where it's never going to be code that's reused and sometimes I have to fight the urge to use better or best practices and stick to the YAGNI (you ain't gonna need it) principle.

When I have larger projects that warrant more... purposefulness and thoughtfulness in design it's often infrastructure that we should be buying our way out of rather than doing ourselves.

Most everything else I work on is devops and process refinement/automation stuff and figuring out edge case bugs.

I think what I'm getting at here is a lot of what makes me effective at software is being good at the fundraising world in general and knowing what I can/should buy our way out of. If I had to measure my coding chops against most comp-sci grads I'd get fucking flattened.
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dontfeartheringo wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:53 am The bigger companies that churn more code are starting to realize that the promised "Golden Age of Using AI to Write Code And/Or South Asian Outsourcing So We Can Fire People Who Need More Than .000043% of Our Glorious CEO's Salary to Survive" was all smoke and mirrors and they're scrambling.

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Can you elaborate?

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penningtron wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:12 am
dontfeartheringo wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:53 am The bigger companies that churn more code are starting to realize that the promised "Golden Age of Using AI to Write Code And/Or South Asian Outsourcing So We Can Fire People Who Need More Than .000043% of Our Glorious CEO's Salary to Survive" was all smoke and mirrors and they're scrambling.

I love this for them.
Yep! And the AI companies are starting to show signs that they know their ships are sinking. (Also good)

But for my own case, a lot of state government jobs and programs (where I went has a government component) tend to post at the same time, which creates a lot of hiring all at once.
Curious what signs?

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cakes wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:10 pm Curious what signs?
Articles out there about investors jumping ship, prominent AI stockholders dumping their shares, and some desperate-looking moves from some of those CEOs. AI will still exist on some level of course but we probably all spotted the "Open AI receives 800 bajillion dollars in investments" buzz being the next Theranos or whatever.

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cakes wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:10 pm
dontfeartheringo wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:53 am The bigger companies that churn more code are starting to realize that the promised "Golden Age of Using AI to Write Code And/Or South Asian Outsourcing So We Can Fire People Who Need More Than .000043% of Our Glorious CEO's Salary to Survive" was all smoke and mirrors and they're scrambling.

I love this for them.
Can you elaborate?
AI was supposed to be writing all the code by now. Every time I ask it any kind of technical question (beyond basic tech support) I get three wrong answers before I give up. At the very beginning, software developers had a phrase "Garbage In, Garbage Out." That hasn't changed.

The professional managerial class was expecting to be able to lay off all the code writers and developers by now. AI in the software development world has been profoundly overhyped. The supposed Golden Age I was talking about before was a time when software development costs could be reduced to the cost of electricity as opposed to actually paying people to write code.

There is no Magic Typewriter. You still need really smart people to write software. A lot of people are holding big bags of magic beans, which is why they're trying to shoehorn ai into everything from your weather report to your smart toaster.

It's a solution to a problem that nobody has. Nobody asked for AI in their workout app or movie listings. But by God, we've sunk a trillion dollars into it, so you're getting it in your word processor program.
tbone wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:58 pm I imagine at some point as a practicality we will all start assuming that this is probably the last thing we gotta mail to some asshole.

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dontfeartheringo wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:31 am
cakes wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:10 pm
dontfeartheringo wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:53 am The bigger companies that churn more code are starting to realize that the promised "Golden Age of Using AI to Write Code And/Or South Asian Outsourcing So We Can Fire People Who Need More Than .000043% of Our Glorious CEO's Salary to Survive" was all smoke and mirrors and they're scrambling.

I love this for them.
Can you elaborate?
AI was supposed to be writing all the code by now. Every time I ask it any kind of technical question (beyond basic tech support) I get three wrong answers before I give up. At the very beginning, software developers had a phrase "Garbage In, Garbage Out." That hasn't changed.

The professional managerial class was expecting to be able to lay off all the code writers and developers by now. AI in the software development world has been profoundly overhyped. The supposed Golden Age I was talking about before was a time when software development costs could be reduced to the cost of electricity as opposed to actually paying people to write code.

There is no Magic Typewriter. You still need really smart people to write software. A lot of people are holding big bags of magic beans, which is why they're trying to shoehorn ai into everything from your weather report to your smart toaster.

It's a solution to a problem that nobody has. Nobody asked for AI in their workout app or movie listings. But by God, we've sunk a trillion dollars into it, so you're getting it in your word processor program.
yeah, and Financial Times recently ran this piece on AI's bubble (paywall avoiding link)

https://archive.ph/2025.07.30-135255/ht ... c84453b3ce


Where's your ed at's breakdown "The Hater's Guide To The AI Bubble" brings this up as well:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-haters-gui/
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dontfeartheringo wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:31 am AI was supposed to be writing all the code by now.
I can tell you as a professional software engineer that I don't think anyone thought AI would be writing all the code by now. We like to joke around that AI is a senior-level engineer with no real-world experience. It's an assistant, really. It's good at writing code... in a sense that an apprentice is good at measuring the wood for the carpenter to cut it.

It might know how code can work, but it doesn't really know how your system works. It can look at your system and give you guidance for writing something, but it doesn't know how to problem solve without your guidance. It'll give you ideas for solving problems, and explain the reasons if you ask it. But it won't know the problem exists unless you tell it and explain what it is.

I use AI on a daily basis to help me speed up my productivity. But if you let it do your job, you'll immediately regret it. I work with a trust-but-verify method. I have it scaffold my tests, sketch out functions, give me a complicated algorithm to try out, and explain what certain things do. Essentially, it's removed the "google it" method that every good engineer is used to. It still comes with the same pitfalls of needing to verify if an answer is the right one or not.

There's definitely a lot AI can do, but it needs the expertise of the engineer, who has gone to all the meetings, understands the business goals, can handle when things aren't perfect, and has the experience to navigate the complicated environment of a software engineer and all the moving parts of an application, which might include more than one code base working harmoniously with each other.

The other thing is--this being kind of an arm's race with jobs--you need to be using AI and know how to use it effectively because it's now just part of the job. It's like having a good editor, or understanding the latest frameworks or languages. It's now another tool in the toolbox that you are expected to know. And it can improve your productivity, if used effectively. Otherwise it's garbage.

Anyway, I say this because I can't imagine any engineer who worked on AI thinking this would replace actual engineers. I suppose you could say that this could help startups who don't have a lot of money use less engineers, but that's kind of a stretch.

I think what you're saying is hyperbole that is often used from the outside looking in. I can't even imagine actual managers who know how things work considering that AI would write all the code. Maybe one day? I dunno, it depends on how intelligent AI can get. Once it can problem solve, understand business needs, and think on it's own, then we're all in trouble.

So, hopefully divestment will slow it down. I can seriously imagine a world where AI can problem solve and do all the things. It's in its infancy, and right now everyone is trying to understand how to use it and how it's actually useful. It can be useful, just not for everything. It's about as useful as the internet is, just faster and giving you a right or wrong answer.

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cakes wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:40 am
dontfeartheringo wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:31 am AI was supposed to be writing all the code by now.
I can tell you as a professional software engineer that I don't think anyone thought AI would be writing all the code by now.
I know that. You know that. BUT, do you know who has been told EXACTLY the 180 degree opposite of that? (Many of whom believed it, whole hog, btw)

Investors. Millions of them.

C-Suite idiots who couldn't "Hello World!" a breakfast menu.

They've been told (and they believed) that by now, AI would be writing ALL the code, and that we could fire all the devs and the devops guys, and AI would be driving cargo ships and trucks and trains and the tech industry would be moving into the Pure Profit Era.

So, if you've ever shorted a stock, now's the time, because the Emperor's New Codewriter is about to be shown for the farce that it is.
tbone wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:58 pm I imagine at some point as a practicality we will all start assuming that this is probably the last thing we gotta mail to some asshole.

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