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galanter wrote:A Which was also my original point...that Europeans quickly became Americans. This was preceeded by my comment that Europeans are often puzzled by Americans because they don't get the frontiersman thing.

Right, and the Chinese didn't become Americans quite so quickly, so I guess they don't serve your history terribly well.

The Chinese just couldn't cotton to the frontiersman thing the way white folks did.

Perhaps that's why frontiersman were "certainly of European extraction."

When I read Galanter's post, I was thinking immediately of the Scotch-Irish who were the first into the 'old' west--Western Virginia which was a large unorganized term for what became Kentucky, Tennessee, etc. This was largely before the Chinese got into the 'wild' west.

Besides, if we've learned anything from watching Deadwood, they're callled "fuckin' Celestials, cocksucker."

Andrew L. wrote:

galanter wrote:A Which was also my original point...that Europeans quickly became Americans. This was preceeded by my comment that Europeans are often puzzled by Americans because they don't get the frontiersman thing.

Right, and the Chinese didn't become Americans quite so quickly, so I guess they don't serve your history terribly well.

The Chinese just couldn't cotton to the frontiersman thing the way white folks did.

Perhaps that's why frontiersman were "certainly of European extraction."

Yeah, I always thought Europeans made the transition easily due to their ruthless ferociousness, especially in their tendency to raze women, children, livestock, and natural resources in their exuberance. Not that we have a monopoly on ruthlessness, but it can apparently be pretty startling.

is it possible to get this back on topic?

Sorry and thank you.

rayj wrote:
Yeah, I always thought Europeans made the transition easily due to their ruthless ferociousness, especially in their tendency to raze women, children, livestock, and natural resources in their exuberance. Not that we have a monopoly on ruthlessness, but it can apparently be pretty startling.

The "Europeans quickly became Americans" thing is actually a myth. A falsehood, if you will. Americanization was enacted and enforced on a variety of levels, many of which demanded considerable coercion and violence. State lines were drawn only after ethnic majorities were established, schooling was designed to inculcate "American values," systematic policies were designed to eradicate bilingualism and non-English languages, etc.

There was nothing natural, inevitable, or smooth about the process.

back to end of timesville now. . .

kerble wrote:

the 14 year-old 7th grade drug dealer I taught wrote:Chinese people are scandalous, dogg.

you had Little Nephew in yr class?

Andrew L. wrote:

rayj wrote:
Yeah, I always thought Europeans made the transition easily due to their ruthless ferociousness, especially in their tendency to raze women, children, livestock, and natural resources in their exuberance. Not that we have a monopoly on ruthlessness, but it can apparently be pretty startling.

The "Europeans quickly became Americans" thing is actually a myth. A falsehood, if you will. Americanization was enacted and enforced on a variety of levels, many of which demanded considerable coercion and violence. State lines were drawn only after ethnic majorities were established, schooling was designed to inculcate "American values," systematic policies were designed to eradicate bilingualism and non-English languages, etc.

There was nothing natural, inevitable, or smooth about the process.

back to end of timesville now. . .

Any good reading recommendations? Other than the one above?

kerble wrote:

the 14 year-old 7th grade drug dealer I taught wrote:Chinese people are scandalous, dogg.

we all deal with them.

i like to think theres treasure in my backyard!

Andrew L. wrote:

galanter wrote:A Which was also my original point...that Europeans quickly became Americans. This was preceeded by my comment that Europeans are often puzzled by Americans because they don't get the frontiersman thing.

Right, and the Chinese didn't become Americans quite so quickly, so I guess they don't serve your history terribly well.

The Chinese just couldn't cotton to the frontiersman thing the way white folks did.

Perhaps that's why frontiersman were "certainly of European extraction."

I said the folks *he* was labeling as European frontiersmen were better described as Americans of European extraction. I was trying to emphasize how quickly Europeans were Americanized. The context of the discussion was Americans vrs Europeans.

Please look elsewhere for racists.

not narcs but actual fucking dubloons!