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Rick Reuschel wrote:Mayhew,

Dude, be comfortable with who you are. You talk about the shit too much to not be interested. Get in touch with your bi-curious side. Indulge a little and you won't be so hung up about it. Maybe if you experiment you'll see you like it or not but either way it won't be eating you up inside like now.

Most straight people that are cool with it don't think about it all that much but most Santorums seem awfully hung up on other people's sex lives. That doesn't speak highly about their own fulfillment.

Roscoe's may be kind of mellow for you. If so try the Manhole.

I don't think God cares if you act slutty on Broadway.

If two men fuck each other behind closed doors, that's one thing. I've got a neighbor who's quietly gay and he's always, er, having new male visitors over. However, I'm not about to "take action" against it because what would that prove? In any event, what I resent is when people do such things and then try to coerce society to accept it as NORMAL and EQUAL to heterosexuality. There's always going to be faggotry....always has been and always will be because people are imperfect...but this has not always been rationalized and shoved down society's throat as it has been in recent times. That is a new phenomenon, and THAT is what I resent much more than the fact that...agast!....there are homosexuals! I resent and deplore the agenda of militant homosexuals because they are a destructive influence upon society. That is my final word on the subject of homosexuality. End of story.

steve wrote:In the early punk rock period, punk rock abided weirdos, and queers were weirdos, so pretty much all early punk rock experiences had a queer element to them. Straight bars didn't like the punk crowd, but gay bars liked flamboyance of any kind. There was a significant sharing of resources (if not record collections) between the gay scene and the punk scene between 1976 and 1984, say. I know most of the shows I went to in the early 1980s had either the brunt or the vestiges of the queer involvement apparent.

So, if you were into punk rock in the late 70s-early 80s, you spent at least a little time in gay bars. Gay or not-gay.

Interesting. This probably explains, at least in part, why my gay uncle had such a diverse collection of music. I bet he was picking up tips from the punks in the gay bars. It also explains how he came to be fascinated with punk culture particularly in the UK.

I voted "not ashamed to admit, been to a gay bar". My experience there was for shit. Some friends had talked me into going with them to Roscoe's, they said it's fun.

We went there, and it was pretty unbelievable. There actually *was* a conga line of doudes just cruising around the place. A big line, too! And they made a point of rubbing up against us (or at least me) when they went past.

After a few minutes of being there, I was like "alright guys, I've had enough of this place".

It was bad music, extremely crowded, all about dancing... things I don't really look for in a bar experience. And to top it off, there were very few women there, and some who were really good looking... seriously, what are the odds that they're actually chicks?

Not ashamed to say I went. In fact, I should probably go to a gay bar now, to see if it's the same kinda scene as what I experienced. That way I can be slightly more informed when I say "man, I don't like going to gay bars".

matthew wrote: That is my final word on the subject of homosexuality. End of story.

SOOO GLAD!

Been, and not ashamed at all. Who cares who other people have sex with.

Heck, I've been to gay bars where I am more comfortable than some of the stinky, agressive yuppie bars I've been to.

Matthew, it's like Fort Knox on your MySpace page. What's your last name or e-mail addy so I can friend you.

scott wrote:I voted "not ashamed to admit, been to a gay bar". My experience there was for shit. Some friends had talked me into going with them to Roscoe's, they said it's fun.

We went there, and it was pretty unbelievable. There actually *was* a conga line of doudes just cruising around the place. A big line, too! And they made a point of rubbing up against us (or at least me) when they went past.

After a few minutes of being there, I was like "alright guys, I've had enough of this place".

It was bad music, extremely crowded, all about dancing... things I don't really look for in a bar experience. And to top it off, there were very few women there, and some who were really good looking... seriously, what are the odds that they're actually chicks?

Not ashamed to say I went. In fact, I should probably go to a gay bar now, to see if it's the same kinda scene as what I experienced. That way I can be slightly more informed when I say "man, I don't like going to gay bars".

Roscoe's tends to be more like that than some other gay bars. Also, the gay boys probably knew you were uncomfortable so they made an extra effort of rubbing against you. They were probably just having fun and toying with you. Lesbians have flirted with me in such ways and it has never bothered me. I just play along and have fun for the time-being. They know I'm straight, I know they are gay...There's an understanding that nothing will happen and we're just being silly. Of course, I'm sure most guys aren't as cool about that sort of thing.

But, you really shouldn't base your gay bar opinion on one experience at one particular bar.

matthew wrote:
If two men fuck each other behind closed doors, that's one thing. I've got a neighbor who's quietly gay and he's always, er, having new male visitors over. However, I'm not about to "take action" against it because what would that prove? In any event, what I resent is when people do such things and then try to coerce society to accept it as NORMAL and EQUAL to heterosexuality. There's always going to be faggotry....always has been and always will be because people are imperfect...but this has not always been rationalized and shoved down society's throat as it has been in recent times. That is a new phenomenon, and THAT is what I resent much more than the fact that...agast!....there are homosexuals! I resent and deplore the agenda of militant homosexuals because they are a destructive influence upon society. That is my final word on the subject of homosexuality. End of story.

so this means......

A. I can fuck my girlfriend in the middle of the road though, I assume that's ok.....

B. by "take action" ...that means hate crime, right?

C. faggotry isn't a word



excuse me, I must finish coercing society to believe that I am NORMAL and EQUAL....those fools

turnbullac wrote:I had an idea to create a micro-brew that was only available in gay bars...

Please to indulge. What would have this micro-brew been called? Other than Schmitt's Gay.

terikeiser wrote:

matthew wrote:
If two men fuck each other behind closed doors, that's one thing. I've got a neighbor who's quietly gay and he's always, er, having new male visitors over. However, I'm not about to "take action" against it because what would that prove? In any event, what I resent is when people do such things and then try to coerce society to accept it as NORMAL and EQUAL to heterosexuality. There's always going to be faggotry....always has been and always will be because people are imperfect...but this has not always been rationalized and shoved down society's throat as it has been in recent times. That is a new phenomenon, and THAT is what I resent much more than the fact that...agast!....there are homosexuals! I resent and deplore the agenda of militant homosexuals because they are a destructive influence upon society. That is my final word on the subject of homosexuality. End of story.

so this means......

A. I can fuck my girlfriend in the middle of the road though, I assume that's ok.....

B. by "take action" ...that means hate crime, right?

C. faggotry isn't a word



excuse me, I must finish coercing society to believe that I am NORMAL and EQUAL....those fools

I regret responding to Matthew's post. I recommend other's ignore his ignorance as well. This is not to say I don't believe in free speech but you would be wasting your time trying to debate with him.