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Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:05 pm
by enframed_Archive
newberry wrote:the problem is corn syrup, soy products, and other refined carbs.
Evidence?
take an autistic child and remove all of the above and lactose from his diet and see.
no one will fund a study. if it turns out to be true billions will be lost.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:13 pm
by newberry_Archive
take an autistic child and remove all of the above and lactose from his diet and see.
no one will fund a study. if it turns out to be true billions will be lost.
If a study hasn't been done, how do you know for sure that corn syrup, etc. causes autism?
Is autism caused by mercury in vaccines? Wireless signals? Corn syrup? Other environmental effects (pollution, etc)?
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:20 pm
by big_dave_Archive
Well, a reasonable amount computer games would be beneficial to a kid with attention problems because the kid would learn to keep several pieces of information "active" in his mind at the same time. The same as complex team sports like baseball, cricket or such.
I'd be more worried about a kid's eyesight and the quality of the time being spent.
Rapid cut TV isn't that much different to a comic book, considering the time a child would take over each panel. Again my concern would be eyesight, but mostly quality.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:24 pm
by newberry_Archive
Your pattern of rejecting any evidence
I ASKED FOR EVIDENCE in the excerpt you quoted from me directly above your comment above. I did not REJECT evidence for corn syrup, etc. causing autism.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:44 pm
by newberry_Archive
I think I understand now. Autism is caused by:
mercury in vaccines
other environmental factors
corn syrup
soy products
refined carbs
TV and video games
GM foods
Aspartame
We can all speculate about what causes autism. Without evidence, we don't know for sure. AFAIK, there is a genetic component to autism--meaning some people are born with it (but it's still not known exactly how that works and whether or not other factors are involved).
One of the problems with this, is it's no easy task to determine exactly what causes autism, and maybe we'll never know. But there has been research done, and more will be done. Yes some people that sponsor studies have ulterior motives. On the other hand there is quite a bit of medical research being done that's paid for by universities and foundations and privately. So hopefully we'll get to the bottom of this soon. In the meantime, I'm not sure how helpful it is to make unfounded claims about the cause.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:44 am
by tocharian_Archive
As someone who works with autistic children on a daily basis, oh would that the cause of autism was something as simple as mercury in vaccines.
The mercury theory has long, long, long, long, long since been disproven. A rather large study looked at children in Europe who received vaccines without the mercury preservative and the rates of autism are identical to rates among children in the US.
I find this thread extremely exasperating. While tetrogens may have something to do with it, autism is genetic.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:15 am
by tocharian_Archive
Rick Reuben wrote:newberry wrote:I think I understand now. Autism is caused by:
mercury in vaccines
other environmental factors
corn syrup
soy products
refined carbs
TV and video games
GM foods
Aspartame
Finally. Do you see the modern American child's lifestyle in that list? It's the cumulative effect of a multitude of environmental factors, including heavy metal toxicity.
Would you give your kids vaccines with Thimerosal? I highly doubt it. Giving them vaccines full of monkey pus and weaponized viruses is bad enough.
Every parent of every autistic child who has walked through the doors of my clinic has tried every diet modification you've suggested above. They don't work.
The increase in rates of autism is attributable to 1.) increased public awareness of autism which leads to 2.) increased diagnosis and 3.) increased likelihood in today's society that men and women with some Asperger's or PDD-NOS-like traits will meet each other, marry each other and produce autistic offspring.
The vaccine theory continues capture imaginations because kids are diagnosed with autism around the same time they begin getting vaccines. Psychologists and speech pathologists are reluctant to diagnose a child with autism before age two because so many kids are simply late talkers. However, if you were to look at children who are later confirmed autistics, you would definitely see that they were not engaging in joint attention or social referencing way before they got their vaccines.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:12 pm
by tocharian_Archive
Rick Reuben wrote:tocharian wrote:I find this thread extremely exasperating.
Is your intense grudge against me genetic?
Tocharian's post in the Ron Paul thread:
tocharian in reference to rick reuben wrote:Will someone please see that this guy starts taking his Haldol again.
http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 966#542966Remember that reply? What kind of a loser quotes ten paragraphs to add a single line insult? What kind of health care professional makes jokes about mental illness? Real cute. Anyway...
tocharian wrote:The increase in rates of autism is attributable to 1.) increased public awareness of autism which leads to 2.) increased diagnosis and 3.) increased likelihood in today's society that men and women with some Asperger's or PDD-NOS-like traits will meet each other, marry each other and produce autistic offspring.
That doesn't begin to explain away the soaring rates of disorders.
David Kirby handles this well.
david kirby at huffington post wrote:It's been nearly two years since the release of my book, "Evidence of Harm, Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic - A Medical Controversy," and I continue to be vilified by critics who insist that mercury does not cause autism, that autism is a stable genetic condition, and that it cannot be an "epidemic."
I am going to declare a New Year's truce, and announce that my critics are 100 percent correct.
This year, I hope we can ALL agree on one thing: There is no autism epidemic.
Among my most spirited and articulate detractors is a group of adults with autism who belong to a movement that refers to itself as the "neurodiversity" community.
These adults argue passionately that autism is neither a disease nor a disorder, but rather a natural and special variation of the chance genetic imprint left upon human behavior. Most of them, I believe, have what science calls "Asperger's Syndrome," or very high functioning autism.
From their eloquent and well reasoned point of view, autism has no "cause," and it certainly requires no "cure." To suggest otherwise is to brand these adults with the stigma of disease and disability, which is patently absurd given their educational and intellectual achievements.
It's like saying that left-handers or gays are deviant and need treatment - something that reasonable people stopped doing years ago.
So maybe autism really is just an odd genetic peculiarity that yields atypical people whose own set of talents and gifts can lead to perfectly happy and fulfilled lives, with little or no dependence on others for their survival.
If that's the case, then autism has always been with us at some steady, but largely overlooked rate. Growing awareness and better diagnostics have certainly helped us identify and count more people with the condition, who might have been mislabeled as "quirky" or "nerdy" a decade ago.
But if that's autism, then the kids that I have met suffer from some other condition entirely. When I talk about "curing" autism, I am not talking about curing the "neurodiverse."
I am talking about kids who begin talking and then, suddenly, never say another word.
I'm talking about kids who may never learn to read, write, tie their shoes or fall in love.
I'm talking about kids who sometimes wail in torture at three in the morning because something inside them hurts like a burning coal, but they can't say what or where it is.
I'm talking about kids who can barely keep food in their inflamed, distressed guts, and when they do, it winds up in rivers of diarrhea or swirls of feces spread on a favorite carpet or pet (no one said this kind of "autism" was pretty).
I'm talking about kids who escape from their home in a blaze of alarms, only to be found hours later, freezing, alone and wandering the Interstate.
I'm talking about kids who have bitten their mother so hard and so often, they are on a first name basis at the emergency room.
I'm talking about kids who spin like fireworks until they fall and crack their heads, kids who will play with a pencil but not with their sister, kids who stare at nothing and scream at everything and don't even realize it when their dad comes home from work.
These are the kids I want to see cured. And I don't believe they have "autism."
Scientists tell us that 1-in-104 American boys are currently diagnosed with some form of autism spectrum disorder. But the mildest, "high functioning" forms of autism have seemingly little in common with the most severe or even moderate cases.
My hunch (and yes, that is all it is) is that most of these kids do not have "autism" at all, and it's probably time we started calling it something else.
American kids are in huge trouble. One in six has a learning disability. Asthma, diabetes, allergies and arthritis are ravaging their bodies in growing numbers. And little of this is due to "better diagnostics" or "greater awareness."
It can only be attributed to radical changes in our environment over the last 10-20 years. There is something, or more likely some things in our modern air, water, food and drugs that are making genetically susceptible children sick, and we need to find out what they are.
Mercury remains a logical candidate for contributing to "autism spectrum disorders," either alone or in combination with other environmental insults. Mercury exposure can kill brain cells. It can cause loss of speech and eye contact, digestive and immune dysfunction, social withdrawal and anxiety, and repetitive and self-injurious behaviors.
So maybe we should leave the autistics in peace and focus on these environmentally toxic kids and what it is that ails them.
Maybe what these kids have is not autism, but something like, say, "Environmentally-acquired Neuroimmune Disorder," which we could call E.N.D. (Great slogan: "Let's End E.N.D.).
Maybe that would explain why a recent CDC-funded study of the San Francisco Bay Area showed that kids with "autism" were 50% more likely to be born in neighborhoods with high levels of airborne toxins, especially mercury. If a second study underway in Baltimore yields similar data, it will be that much harder to defend the "better diagnosis" argument, (other studies have shown an association between autism rates and proximity to coal-fired power plants).
So maybe what we have here is just a semantic failure to communicate. Columbus thought he had met "Indians," and we only recently began to use the term "Native American."
Columbus was not in the Indies, mercury doesn't cause autism, and there is no autism epidemic.
Keep fighting the good fight to keep the lawsuits away from Big Pharm and the chemical industry and the processed food industry, Tocharian.
Blah blah blah. Get back to me after you've just finished spending four years getting your masters in speech pathology.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:47 pm
by tocharian_Archive
Ok, that was a bit flip. Let me just say that anyone who has ever spent any time with autistic kids, professionally or otherwise, wants the causes of this disorder to get sorted the fuck out. My sincerest wish this holiday season is that someone will discover the causes of autism in my lifetime--the genes that trigger it and the neurological bases for it (we don't even know that much about how an autistic brain differs from a non-autistic brain).
If autism really interests you that much, you should get a masters or PhD in genetics or neurology or psychology and start helping us out instead on conspiracy mongering.
Autism-Mitochondrial Dysfunction Link: 1 in 200 At Risk
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:01 pm
by tocharian_Archive
Well, sounds like there's lots you know that I don't.