Can I start with a disclaimer here already? I do think people who debate/argue incessantly/troll concerning Windows v Macintosh OS and related could better use their time in useful endeavours that would benefit society.

Having said that (hehe), I used to be an Mac freak who has now gone completely over to the dark side. Because the simple truth is that Apple treats its loyal customers like shit and has done for at least a decade. Incompatible with previous everything? check. No disk drives? check. (Just for that once or twice a year you BADLY NEED to use a disk.) Outrageously overpriced? oh yes. Corporate bastards? (not wildly different from Microsoft or Nestle in corporate practice.) yup. Marketing genii? Ever so pretty products? yes indeed. Countercultural clothing stolen by Linux? uh-huh.

Thus no self-respecting punk rocker should touch their products with a bargepole. It may be a choice between the devil, the deep blue sea, and Linux but...


CRAP

johnnyshape wrote:Can I start with a disclaimer here already? I do think people who debate/argue incessantly/troll concerning Windows v Macintosh OS and related could better use their time in useful endeavours that would benefit society.

I agree with you, good sir...so I'm not going to go through a step by step explanation of why Macs are superior machines...I'll just name a few...
They have always been nice to me.
My laptop is two years old and has not had one problem (well, take that back...but that was at the hands of AVID, the truely evil empire of the software world)
AND...it's pretty

In short: NOT CRAP

I prefer Macs to PCs and have a Mac at home, but the way Apple tries to present itself to the outside world is really offensive. It's the worst kind of bullshit.

They had the Dalai Lama on a billboard. Sure, he had to agree to it, but...they had the Dalai Lama on a billboard. As bullshit corporate self-righteousness goes, that's #1.

A good friend used to work at Apple HQ. She said everybody gets a memo about how Steve Jobs is a "celebrity CEO" and how you aren't supposed to talk to him or come anywhere near him if you see him at the office.

CRAP.

Overall: CRAP

Pros:

- Macs have and have always had first rate industrial design and UI design
- Distant connection to Steve Wozniak

Cons:

- Insanely overpriced
- Limited hardware compatibility
- Limited software availability
- Terrible customer relations (shockingly paired with one of the world's most loyal cusomter bases)
- Overly eager to take credit for other people's innovations (Xerox, etc.)
- Poor follow through on actual innovations
- Functionality compromised by industrial design
- One of the all-time most pretentious, self-righteous corporate marketing/image campaigns
- Steve Jobs

I'd like to see Apple fix some of these problems and get back some market share since that would be the best thing for the industry at large, but I'm not sure they'll ever be able to break out of their stalwart graphic designer/pretty Unix shell niche.

Dan

i use my computer for basically four things:

-the internet
-homework (mathematica, autoCAD, pspice/b^2spice, excel, visio, etc.)
-photoshop
-audio

i use macs because they are a luxury that i currently afford (thank you student loans), and, because i'm too busy/lazy to learn linux and deal with all of the time consuming bullshit that computer hobbyists enjoy doing. i feel no rightuousness about not using windows by using a mac, and i agree that apple are no different than your average american capitalist behemoth. what i do appreciate is their os stability and how remarkably effecient their overall systems are. also, there is nowhere near the amount of fucked up audio code out there for any other platform. case in point: http://music.calarts.edu:16080/~tre/CompMusMac/

i don't get it man. you provided a link to show how there's so much more of that shit for the mac than for the PC... but near the top of the page you linked to, there's a link to stuff for the PC... which outnumbers the shit for the mac by just a couple items. what gives?

near the top of your link, click on "Windows - CompMusPC".

Gates is innoculating Africa... maybe not the evil empire after all..

toomanyhelicopters wrote:i don't get it man. you provided a link to show how there's so much more of that shit for the mac than for the PC... but near the top of the page you linked to, there's a link to stuff for the PC... which outnumbers the shit for the mac by just a couple items. what gives?

near the top of your link, click on "Windows - CompMusPC".

yes, but i descibed the mac software as 'fucked up' and i meant it in a good way. these programs are generally much more bizzare and creative, whereas i find most windows audio freeware to be rather mundane utilities that come with most big audio software packages like protools and logic. check out ageiphontes lyre. also, cloud generator and soudhack are some of the most amazing freeware applications i've ever found for any system. so i was refering to the amount of usable, and creative stuff available.

aha. well that clears it up then.

what sorta effects are you using? i don't even understand what they're talking about with some of that stuff, though the notion of combining ringmod with fibonacci numbers sounds like something i'd definitely wanna hear.

same wrote:what i do appreciate is their os stability

I appreciate the sentiment, but I feel obliged to mention that acheiving OS stability is much simpler when your hardware matrix consists of "the orange one," "the green one" and "the one with the daisies on it." Such a miniscule amount of supported hardware is a luxury few PC operating systems share. For those unfamiliar with the world of stress testing and debugging an operating system, third party device drivers represent a majority of stability issues. This is why special purpose operating systems (embedded devices, game consoles, etc.) are considerably more stable.

Dan