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Satoshi's original white paper (.pdf download).

FREEDOOOMMMM!

Environmental cost.

Have at it.

Dumb on so many levels and incredibly interesting on others. The most interesting thing about cryptos is the technology behind it, rather than the gambling with the money part.

Every time someone tries to convince me that cryptocurrency will be the gateway to some kind of revolution, I think of the Consolidated line:

The technological rationale is the rationale of domination itself

I don't understand it at all. Crap, even though I have small amount of monopoly money in it.

where were all of you when i was giving away 500 doge (for poker) on this forum? i think one guy took me up on it.
it's $.60 today.

the environmental thing wasn't really part of the discussion (or, to my shame, I hadn't noticed it) until the NFT craze took off. So I'm pretty sure it's unequivocally crap. How useful is this kind of decentralisation really -- like, compared to something like bittorrent. Surely it's not worth burning up the planet.

i do have a little bit, and it's (sadly) probably a good investment. But I don't think I'd get into it again, knowing what we know.

Two of humanity’s worst instincts: greed and self-destruction in a perfectly overlapped Venn Diagram.

CRAP

Patrick H wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:35 am Two of humanity’s worst instincts: greed and self-destruction in a perfectly overlapped Venn Diagram.

CRAP

Well put.

Crap, zero waffles.

Kamala Harris Shouldn’t Just Embrace Crypto. She Must Help It Flourish

BY LAURA SHIN OCTOBER 29, 2024
Shin is the founder of the crypto news outlet, Unchained, host of the Unchained podcast, and the author of The Cryptopians: Idealism, Greed, Lies, and the Making of the First Big Cryptocurrency Craze

As a journalist, I try not to reveal personal opinions. But I’m breaking that rule today, because as an American, there’s something I, a progressive Democrat and a journalist who has covered crypto for more than nine years, have to speak up about.

The Democrats and more specifically, its progressive wing, are making a mistake being anti-crypto. Their opposition is threatening to not only turn the U.S. into a technological backwater, but also to imperil our country’s status as the world’s only superpower. Being hostile to crypto could chip away at the U.S. dollar’s dominance as the world’s major global reserve asset. Plus, progressive opposition isn’t even logical since crypto broadly aligns with progressive ideals. Most urgently, their stance could cost Vice President and Democratic nominee Kamala Harris the election and hand Donald Trump, who tried to overturn the 2020 election, the presidency.

Throughout her presidential run, Harris has made minimal statements on crypto. At a Wall Street fundraiser on Sept. 22, she said, “We will encourage innovative technologies like AI and digital assets, while protecting our consumers and investors.” At the Economic Club of Pittsburgh on Sept. 24, she said, “I will recommit the nation to global leadership in the sectors that will define the next century. We will … remain dominant in AI and quantum computing, blockchain and other emerging technologies.” She also pledged to create a regulatory framework for crypto, as part of her economic plan for Black men, since 20% of Black Americans own digital assets. While it’s promising that her few utterances on crypto were vaguely positive, she—as well as the Democratic party—should go further. Harris’s campaign—and hopefully her administration—should embrace crypto and help it flourish, so we don't lose our decades-long edge in tech and the U.S. dollar retains its reserve currency status.

Over the last few years, I’ve watched with dismay as my party has attacked the technology that could help usher in the change it wishes to see. For an election that will be decided by inches and in which, according to Pew Research, 17% of U.S. adults have ever owned crypto, Democrats have let Trump come in and claim the issue as his own.

But crypto is not inherently partisan. Being against it is like being against the internet. Just as the internet, or a knife, or a dollar bill can be used for good or bad, crypto is also a neutral technology. I expect crypto will follow a similar trajectory to the internet: this small, fringe phenomenon will, over the next couple decades, become embedded in of our lives alongside the dollar and other financial assets, the way that email and text messages are more central to our existence than snail mail.

In fact, Democratic antipathy has turned many lifelong Democrats who work in crypto into Trump supporters, since the Biden administration has put their livelihoods at risk and treated these entrepreneurs as criminals. Watching this saga gives me Blockbuster-Netflix deja vu.

Democratic leadership fails to understand that crypto has the potential to usher in a progressive era, through the technology itself. A blockchain, at its core, is a collectively maintained ledger of every transaction involving its coin. Imagine if you lived in a village whose financial system consisted of every villager gathering in the town square every day at noon and calling out their transactions since the day before. For each expense, such as, “I paid the baker $10,” every villager would log it in their own ledger.

No single person or entity like a bank would be in charge of keeping what would be considered the authoritative record. Instead, we would agree the only correct ledger did not exist physically but would be the one represented by the majority of the ledgers. This is like Bitcoin, except swap the villagers for computers around the globe running the Bitcoin software, managed by anyone contributing to this transparent, community-run financial system.

Of course, people should be paid to keep these ledgers. But instead of hiring employees, Bitcoin’s software mints new coins every time a new “block” of transactions is added to the ledger. (In Bitcoin, this happens, on average, every 10 minutes, unlike the village’s daily cadence.) The people maintaining the ledgers are incentivized by the opportunity to win those new bitcoins, which is how they “get paid.”

What a marvel: In the last 16 years, through this combination of cryptography, decentralization, and incentives, Bitcoin went from obscurity to surpassing a $1,000,000,000,000 market cap, which only Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Meta, Alphabet, Microsoft, and Berkshire Hathaway have done—except those entities did so with a board, C suite and employees. Meanwhile, Bitcoin, a grassroots phenomenon, attracted “workers” via incentives.

This is the core of crypto’s decentralization concept—one that could take on big banks and big tech. More services beyond an “electronic peer to peer cash system,” as Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto described it, can be offered on the internet in a decentralized way, with a cryptographic token and well-designed incentives.

Though this is the ideal, crypto has seen numerous scams and frauds—for example, FTX, OneCoin, and numerous “pig butchering” schemes in which the tricksters ensnare their victims in emotional relationships and dupe them into handing over money. But as U.S. attorney Damian Williams, whose office prosecuted FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried, said, “[W]hile the cryptocurrency industry might be new and the players like Sam Bankman-Fried might be new, this kind of corruption is as old as time.” Similarly to how no one advised investors to avoid stocks after Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme, the usage of crypto to perpetrate scams and frauds doesn’t mean everyone should shun crypto.

Unfortunately, the U.S. has regulated the industry so poorly that crypto entrepreneurs have left the U.S. and cut Americans off from their projects. For example, Polymarket, a prediction market, is off-limits to Americans and U.S. residents. The way that there’s the internet and then China’s own censored version, now the world has a burgeoning crypto economy, while the U.S. has a censored crypto landscape. Frequently, crypto projects will list blocked countries and name the U.S. alongside the likes of North Korea, Cuba, Iran, China, and Russia. Not the typical company the U.S. keeps. Already, the U.S. is becoming a technological backwater.

Furthermore, the way the SEC under President Joe Biden’s appointed chair, Gary Gensler, has regulated crypto has been egregiously unfair. In 2021, after his appointment, Gensler wrote a letter to Sen. Elizabeth Warren, saying the SEC did not have the authority to regulate crypto. Although such power was never granted, the SEC began applying decades-old regulations to crypto by targeting entrepreneurs with “enforcement actions” or punishments for infractions of rules designed for a very different type of financial system. I’m not talking about cases of fraud, such as FTX, which regulators should rightly pursue, but incidents such as when the SEC sued Coinbase, which has aimed to be compliant from its earliest days, for not registering as a securities exchange. The dirty secret is that while Gensler often says crypto companies should “come in and register,” the SEC has not made that possible.

Judges are calling out the SEC. When the agency blocked crypto companies’ applications to offer bitcoin exchange-traded funds (ETFs) for so long that a then-potential issuer sued the SEC, a panel of three judges—two appointed by Democratic presidents—unanimously sided with the plaintiff, calling the SEC’s reasoning for not approving the ETFs “arbitrary and capricious.” In March 2024, in a case against the crypto project DebtBox, Judge Robert Shelby in Utah excoriated the SEC for what he called “a gross abuse of power,” in a judgment that noted multiple instances of SEC lawyers lying to the court. Judge Shelby levied a $1,800,000 fine against the agency, which closed its Salt Lake City office.

Its poor win/loss record on crypto cases shows how the SEC and Chair Gensler gave Donald Trump a layup to take Democratic votes. At a speech Trump gave at the July Bitcoin 2024 conference, he promised the crypto community common sense things a reasonable regulator already would have done. Which pledge got a standing ovation? That on day one, he would fire Gensler.

Some Democrats have clued in that their approach to the industry may cost them this election. Both Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi, along with dozens of other Democrats in the House and Senate, broke party lines to vote for pro-crypto bills. But it may be too little too late. Members of the crypto community now regularly criticize the SEC, the Biden administration, Vice President Harris, Senator Warren, and Gensler, while advocating for a Trump presidency.

Most importantly, being anti-crypto has geopolitical implications. If Harris wins without signaling a complete about face from the Biden administration’s anti-crypto approach, China could use this technology to gain more power over developing regions like Africa, which would further erode the dominance of the U.S. dollar. China already has launched a digital yuan and created hundreds of blockchain-based initiatives. One could see them, say, requiring African business partners, especially as part of its Belt and Road initiative, to transact in the digital yuan, which would mean these businesses and countries could begin holding the digital yuan like a reserve currency. While the yuan accounts for only 4.69% of global reserves, it is growing quickly—it has increased by more than a full percentage point in the last year.

If it continues to gain a toehold, it will be a total own goal by the U.S., because, crypto has, so far, actually reinforced the primacy of the U.S. dollar abroad. According to the European Central Bank, 99% of so-called stablecoins, whose value is pegged to that of another asset, are tied to the worth of the U.S. dollar. These crypto dollars, $170,000,000,000 worth in circulation, are now gaining adoption in countries that have a weak currency or poor financial systems.

Citizens of, say, Argentina or Afghanistan grasp the promise of crypto more easily than Americans, who enjoy a stable currency and safe and robust financial systems. Roya Mahboob, the Afghan entrepreneur whose girls robotics team made news in 2017, told me that Bitcoin was the solution in 2013 when her blogging platform faced challenges paying its women bloggers who didn't have bank accounts or whose payments would get confiscated by male relatives. Argentine entrepreneur Wences Casares has shared with me that a non-governmental money outside the control of the banks would have helped his family, who lost their life savings multiple times during periods of Argentina's hyperinflation. Surely the notion of a financial instrument and technology benefiting underserved populations resonates with progressive and liberal values.

Liberals are often concerned about crypto’s environmental impact. This is an issue primarily with Bitcoin, the main crypto asset whose security model is “proof of work,” which requires the burning of electricity. In September 2022, Ethereum, the second-most popular coin, switched from “PoW” to a new method called “proof of stake,” which cut its electricity consumption by over 99%; this, or similar, methods are used by most new tokens launched nowadays.

Bitcoin miners can help renewable energy facilities, whose output is intermittent, resulting in inconsistent revenues, by evening out their revenue by purchasing excess energy at times when, say, wind is plentiful but demand is low, and by shutting off their facilities when usage is high. Secondly, renewable energy facilities can run miners themselves to earn Bitcoin when energy is plentiful but demand is low.

When I started covering this technology almost a decade ago, there was optimism and open-mindedness about what it could do. While, in 2022, the industry saw many collapses like FTX (of centralized entities, not the ideal of what crypto can enable), U.S. agencies had been politicizing it long before then. A truly neutral regulator, or Congress, would have already created clear rules that would give American crypto entrepreneurs peace of mind that they wouldn’t be punished using decades-old laws whose application to crypto is unclear. Such directives would also make it easier for the public to separate legitimate entrepreneurial activity from scams and frauds. A head-in-the-sand approach from our leaders only gives countries like China an opportunity to encroach on the U.S.’s power. As our nation and American companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Netflix [FAANG] did with the internet, let’s be leaders in this new frontier of innovation.

If liberals, progressives, and Democrats take a fresh look at crypto without preconceived judgments, they will see much that aligns with their ideals. I urge Vice President Harris to reject the politicization of this world-changing technology, and instead, embrace it to help propel her to victory.

The only financial use of crypto is crime. It’s PayPal for child pornographers, terrorists, and scammers.

But people love it because they see other people who have become rich trading it, demonstrating that certain people will fall for pyramid schemes 100% of the time.

Fuck it. It’s awful and should’ve been snuffed out immediately. Crap, negative waffles, and fuck you for causing businesses to waste millions on dipshit blockchain endeavors.