wait, fuck. stupid two forties of coors.

danmohr wrote:

same wrote:what i do appreciate is their os stability

third party device drivers represent a majority of stability issues.
Dan

i think windows' ungodly long oject code or whatever (for going to a tech/engineering college i'm extremely computer illiterate) is also somewhat responsible. and the lack of peripherial third party hardware support doesn't bother me for what i do, but i admit that the constituant hardware of an apple computer is militaristically proprietary (e.g. things like motherboards and processors, as well as wireless cards). oh well, fuck it.

p.s. i'm fucking drunk and had to edit this shit like four times or some shit. christ.

this should be enough to bring apple to its kneez...

http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/ezbake.shtml

Last time I used a Mac was about 2 years ago. It was the most unstable piece of shit I have ever used, and I have used some shitty PCs. We had 3 of them in a music class, and they were all really, really horrible and unreliable. Maybe it was just those 3, atleast I hope so. I never could understand how people could use them.

CRAP.

danmohr wrote:

same wrote:what i do appreciate is their os stability

I appreciate the sentiment, but I feel obliged to mention that acheiving OS stability is much simpler when your hardware matrix consists of "the orange one," "the green one" and "the one with the daisies on it." Such a miniscule amount of supported hardware is a luxury few PC operating systems share. For those unfamiliar with the world of stress testing and debugging an operating system, third party device drivers represent a majority of stability issues. This is why special purpose operating systems (embedded devices, game consoles, etc.) are considerably more stable.

Dan

THANK YOU THANK YOU, Dan. Thank you.

Everyone read what Dan wrote a couple of more times until it sinks in.

I'm not suprised that Dan "gets it'.

Eventhough I know who you work for, thank you.

same wrote:there is nowhere near the amount of fucked up audio code out there for any other platform.

Did anyone else hear the 24-hour version of Beethoven's 9th?

I'm totally down with this sound. It was made using snd software for Linux, which I'm somehow convinced is actually the most fucked-up, or fuck-uppable, audio software going. I don't know much about this stuff though, and I've only spent a short while trying to comprehend what snd can do. It looks like fun to me. Does anyone know anything about it?

spoot wrote:

same wrote:there is nowhere near the amount of fucked up audio code out there for any other platform.

snd software for Linux, which I'm somehow convinced is actually the most fucked-up, or fuck-uppable, audio software going.

Dunno about snd, but same's post made me think of Pure Data, which can be built on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X (full disclosure--that's what I'm using). PD's kind of a software modular synth. The interface is seriously primitive and ugly (Tcl/Tk), but you can do pretty much anything with it. It's kind of like an open-source Max/MSP. (And the "MSP" in Max/MSP, Miller S. Puckette, is behind the Pure Data project.)

maurice, your pure data link isn't working for me. i want to check that shit out.

same wrote:maurice, your pure data link isn't working for me. i want to check that shit out.

Well, damn, you're right! Try http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/ (I've edited my post to have the right one. But notice that the sourceforge page also links to the dead site. Wonder what happened? I'm on the mailing list, but I've not been keeping up.)

Also, for one-click installers, see http://pure-data.iem.at/Members/hans/installers/, which--now that I follow the link, is the old site. So there's plenty of info, then, at http://pure-data.iem.at/about/.

man, re: stability, it bugs me to hear people still using the two main arguments that invaribly come up in the defense of macs as better than PCs

1) more stable
2) more user-friendly

both of those are based in history, sure enough, but neither of them has applied for several years, in my opinion anyways.

my girlfriend is a graphic designer, and thus uses mac only. it crashes, by her own admission, maybe once daily. it takes documents that she's working on and corrupts them to the point where she has to start them over. why? because the OS is freaking out about the fonts. the IT guy wipes the computer clean and starts it from scratch, same shit happens.

the last mac i used personally crashed once every half hour because it was seriously lacking in memory and couldn't even handle photoshop. granted that was years ago, but still, my two PC laptops can easily go weeks without crashing a single time, and when they do crash, it's because i'm crunching insane amounts of data on them, several gigabytes at a time. and my home laptop has very little memory in it.

user-friendly? HA! that hasn't been nearly as true since 1998. that argument came about back when it was mac with a mouse and a desktop vs PC's having a keyboard and DOS. or even with windows 3.1, which was a major bitch to use. but the argument's not even remotely true when comparing OSX against windows XP. geez, macs still come standard with a 1-button mouse! i understand that it's easy to say that microsoft just ripped off lots of ideas from mac, and then of course we can get into the whole xerox thing that they covered so well in that book and movie and etc etc, but whether it's because microsoft ripped mac off or not, in my opinion anyways, PC surpassed the mac in terms of blending power, flexibility and intuitive layout. the arguments aren't valid anymore, though they indeed once were. neither of the old standby mac arguments have been valid since windows 98, and certainly since windows XP.

seriously, "Chooser"? what kinda stupid word is "Chooser"?

but yeah, no doubt mac's still the industry standard if you're a graphic designer or in video production. sound, i dunno, i think in general that PC's doing pretty well on that front. and oh yeah, the mac is a smarter processor architecture, right? doesn't seem like anybody really disputes that advantage either.