greg wrote:

wiggins wrote:3. the mics were about 1' away, is that too close?

Away from the instrument, or each other?

The instrument.

wiggins wrote:

greg wrote:

wiggins wrote:3. the mics were about 1' away, is that too close?

Away from the instrument, or each other?

The instrument.

Just a thought, but 1 ft. may have been too close of a distance between your source and your mics. You were probably picking up much more of the Mid mic than the sides due to your proximity to the mics.? Have you tried raising the volume of the side mics, or lowering that of the mid? Have you been able to try it out with them backed off more than 1 ft?
... that is what I am thinking when I think of the pattern of an M-S setup.

-Darrill

you can get very interesting and impressive results (on the right source) by close-miking with an M-S pair. You will have to boost your side mic significantly though.

Ive used M_S pairs 9-12" from speakers before. It can sound very cool and subtle in a sparse arrangement.

blessings,
mtar

Michael Gregory Bridavsky wrote:you can get very interesting and impressive results (on the right source) by close-miking with an M-S pair. You will have to boost your side mic significantly though.

Ive used M_S pairs 9-12" from speakers before. It can sound very cool and subtle in a sparse arrangement.

blessings,
mtar

cool. But a boost of the sides is needed (otherwise your Mid is just dominating the image, right?). I don't think I have mic'ed anything M-S less than 5-6 ft. away I'm going to have to try some close mic'ing when I get the chance. I did get a great solo snare about 3 ft. above, M-S a few times though.

What kind of mics have you used for this, mtar?

-Darrill

NLMD311 wrote:

Michael Gregory Bridavsky wrote:you can get very interesting and impressive results (on the right source) by close-miking with an M-S pair. You will have to boost your side mic significantly though.

Ive used M_S pairs 9-12" from speakers before. It can sound very cool and subtle in a sparse arrangement.

blessings,
mtar

But a boost of the sides is needed (otherwise your Mid is just dominating the image, right?).

Yes, you will need to boost significantly, relative to your mid mic.

What kind of mics have you used for this, mtar?

-Darrill

Mid: Earthworks TC-30K (SD omni condesor)
Side: Sony C48p (LD condensor)
(omnis work well with close m-s miking)

Fostex M20RP (mid-side "printed ribbon" mic)

Mid: LOMO 19A-13 (tube LD condensor)
Side: Oktava ML-15 (ribbon) or Sony C48p

mtar

Thanks.

-Darrill

i have a lot of confusion.

how do i split the 2 sides of the figure 8 mic in an m/s? do i just take the mics channel and duplicate it then pan them hard left and hard right? or does each lobe of the fig 8 get its own seperate chanel...if so, how do i split them? a seperate outbox or something? and once theyre split how would i change the phase on one side?

bigmuffya wrote:i have a lot of confusion.

how do i split the 2 sides of the figure 8 mic in an m/s? do i just take the mics channel and duplicate it then pan them hard left and hard right? or does each lobe of the fig 8 get its own seperate chanel...if so, how do i split them? a seperate outbox or something? and once theyre split how would i change the phase on one side?

if you're in digital, just record each mic to a track, then duplicate the side mic channel, and flip the polarity on one of the channels. of these two channels, one should be panned left, one should be panned right. which one is which will depend on the mic and way it's facing in your setup, but it should be pretty easy to figure out.

hth


also, greg, are you still selling m-s decoders?

thanks for that response. 1 quik little question more...on pro tools 6.4, how would i switch the polarity on the 1 side channel? plug in? some icon? i cant seem to find my manual ahha

Hmm. I think the eq or compressor plug ins have a button [ Ø ] for polarity flip... Other than that, I'm not sure. sorry.