Wood Goblin wrote:

clocker bob wrote:And it's $13. Ever try a seitan Rueben?

The Chicago Diner has one, and it's delicious.

Marsupialized wrote:

Wood Goblin wrote:

clocker bob wrote:And it's $13. Ever try a seitan Rueben?

The Chicago Diner has one, and it's delicious.

Goes well with the 4 dollar can of vegan soda
The french toast there is delicious, but even delicious french toast has no buisness being 8 bucks or whatever I paid for it

endofanera wrote:For some reason that doesnt stop folks (friends, enemies, acquaintances) from telling me what an asshole I am for not eating meat.

endofanera wrote:

zom-zom wrote:I can't imagine many restaurants that wouldn't have something a vegetarian would consider edible besides a steak-house. Would it kill you to not eat meat for one dining out experience?

Militant anti-veg is just as bad as the militant vegan assholery.

Indeed. I never tell anyone what to eat -- you like it, then eat it. I will go to just about any restaurant other than a steakhouse or fast food place, and I only wont go those places because I'll be left sucking on ketchup packets all night. For some reason that doesnt stop folks (friends, enemies, acquaintances) from telling me what an asshole I am for not eating meat. See matthew above calling me somewhere between benignly foolish and malignantly idiotic for what I choose to eat, as though there is only one clear path and it's paved with bacon. This is a more regular occurrence than one would believe. Eh.

People are terribly threatened by food choices that have literally no effect on them. It's baffling to me.

yut wrote:This issue is a veritable powder-keg (said in a Southern accent).

The oil-peak -> local produce only is not my original argument. There is quite a community of theorists who argue that the oil peak is going to cause severe food shortages, as well as shortages of manufactured goods. Most people feel oil makes gas which runs cars... When we run out of oil, we'll just drive electric cars like Ed Bagley Jr.

No. Oil is necessary for pretty much everything, including shipping veggies around the world. It is the most essential resource, next to air, water, and sunlight.

Geologists have been talking about the oil peak for 20 years. We've already hit peak supply. Demand will continue to increase, but supply will decrease. This amounts to very high costs for anything that uses oil -- which is EVERYTHING.

Google "oil peak".

How will vegetarianism work for people who live in cold climates, deserts, etc, when oil is $90+ a barrel? We're going to ship watery vegetables everywhere? Even as it stands now, a pound of chicken breast is cheaper than a pound of tomatoes (and you get like one tomato per pound).

As far as anecdotal evidence, such as: I was a vegetarian for x years and I never get sick since I switched.

Scientific evidence does not support this. When health care providers (that make more money from keeping people healthy) start proposing vegetarianism, let me know.

Additionally, this switch in diet probably was for health reasons. You probably cut out a lot of junk food, but I could be wrong. I have a feeling if you ate healthier, but included a nutritionally advisable amount of meat in your diet, you would be just as healthy... even healthier. Limiting the amino-acid building blocks that your body can use doesn't amount to healthy living.

But anyway, vegetarianism is a luxury of the modern world, soon to be a thing of the past... Deal.

endofanera wrote:

zom-zom wrote:I can't imagine many restaurants that wouldn't have something a vegetarian would consider edible besides a steak-house. Would it kill you to not eat meat for one dining out experience?

Militant anti-veg is just as bad as the militant vegan assholery.

Indeed. I never tell anyone what to eat -- you like it, then eat it. I will go to just about any restaurant other than a steakhouse or fast food place, and I only wont go those places because I'll be left sucking on ketchup packets all night. For some reason that doesnt stop folks (friends, enemies, acquaintances) from telling me what an asshole I am for not eating meat. See matthew above calling me somewhere between benignly foolish and malignantly idiotic for what I choose to eat, as though there is only one clear path and it's paved with bacon. This is a more regular occurrence than one would believe. Eh.

matthew wrote:
You can eat whatever you like. I have never and won't ever try to strong arm a person subsisting on satan alone unless he or she force their ideology upon me and moreover called me an immoral person thus (which has happened to me, mind you.). I was just stating an opinion since this is an opinion forum. I based my opinion on vegetarians/vegans I have known and known of- in particular vegans. I have yet to meet a vegan who did not have some sort of health problem (bad teeth, menstrual problems, general malaise) due to a nutrient deficiency.....and those who do not happen to have deficiencies attempt to make up for the lack with a ridiculous regime of suppliments and foods which are so far removed from nature and eatability as to in some cases warrant the very appellation of "foodstuff" to them dubious.