Rick Reuben wrote:

numberthirty wrote:giving a cluster of cells equal footing with living beings just doesn't make much sense.

What an idiot.

1st trimester:

2nd trimester:

Miscarrige can put an end to both of the clusters in those photos.

Can a miscarrige kill you or me?

Rick Reuben wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:You're right, I went back and deleted that sentence, as that was not the one I was commenting on anyway. My comment was regarding the next statement , which you did make, staarting out "There you go..."

Yeah, but it's still fucked up in your new post. Here's the sequence:

Johnny 13 wrote:I would not want to be in a life long relationship with someone who would be that unstable.

rick reuben wrote:There you go. If your wife aborted without consulting you, you would want out of the relationship. That means you would punish her for doing what she did, thus proving that you felt entitled to the consultation

I'm pointing out to Johnny that he feels deserving of a consultation on the question of abortion.

And Johnny keeps saying that in a healthy relationship, the partners have a pretty good idea what they would do in advance, having spoken about it before, and would likely discuss at the time what they would do. In an unhealthy relationship, where this dialogue is broken, there are many more things wrong with the relationship that haven't been recognized or dealt with, for whatever reason, before the woman decides to get an abortion without talking to her partner about it. It may precipitate the end of a relationship, but I think it is not necessarily the underlying cause for why it ends.

In any case, I think equating divorce with punishment is being very simplistic about the dynamics in such a situation. I've been through a divorce myself, and if that is someone's point of view regarding divorce, well, that just makes it more painful than it already is, and is kind of an unhealthy viewpoint in it's own right, to all parties involved. The kind of people who divorce out of spite, or the desire to punish, are the same people who drag everyone else around them into the situation, like when divorcing couples expect their existing children, or friends for that matter, to pick sides in a divorce, demonizing one or the other spouse. This is not healthy, and does not let one heal from the separation.

Rick Reuben wrote:

numberthirty wrote:Miscarrige can put an end to both of the clusters in those photos.

Idiot. Every living human is a composed of cells, from birth to death. You are misusing the word 'cluster', and you've got such severe damage to your own brain cells, you think a tapeworm is a baby.

numberthirty wrote:Can a miscarrige kill you or me?

Goobersezwhat?

I've already pointed out that the tapeworm bit was not serious. Feel free to take it as seriously as you like.

As for the fetus, the question is really pretty simple to me.
A fetus coming to the point where it is where it is less likely to die of a miscarriage takes place after the two pictures you've posted.

To me, something that cannot sustain itself if removed from a womb or survive no matter what the physical health of the woman carrying it is a cluster of cells that may at some point grow into a living being.

Based on that, I can't see putting a fetus on equal footing with a living being.

Rick Reuben wrote:

numberthirty wrote:giving a cluster of cells equal footing with living beings just doesn't make much sense.

What an idiot.

1st trimester:

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Marsupialized wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:

numberthirty wrote:giving a cluster of cells equal footing with living beings just doesn't make much sense.

What an idiot.

1st trimester:

2nd trimester:

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big_dave wrote:

Marsupialized wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:

numberthirty wrote:giving a cluster of cells equal footing with living beings just doesn't make much sense.

What an idiot.

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5th

Rick Reuben wrote:

Johnny 13 wrote: It is unkind to make it seem like women are callous and acting on whims

Point out where I said that, Johnny.

It is really funny how the idea that a father should participate in the decision to terminate or continue a pregnancy is being described as an 'anti-woman' position. All my life, I was taught that it took two people to make a baby, but I guess I was wrong- women do it all on their own.

That is my reading of the following bit you wrote:

Seems likely that some are women who knew they were at risk of getting pregnant, got pregnant, and then said, "Wait a minute, maybe I'm not ready to go through with this." People change minds all the time.

Women don't do it all on their own, just 99.9% of it. The possibility of doing it all is on the horizon tho.

I think men should be killed and eaten by the female once mating in complete.
That oh so sacred growing baby needs those nutrients.

unsaved wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:

clever reference to adoption?

only here wrote:

unsaved wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:

clever reference to abortion?

Yes. She's handing her a vacuum. Sssssuck!!! Har, get it?