Massively Overrated Stuff

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I got to thinking about this after seeing all the Back to Black Amy Winehouse film posters in London.

She was awful. Horrible gurning voice, Ronettes Cosplay look. The songs were retro schlock.

Massively overrated .

Keep it big. What things has The Collective decided are cultural touchstones but are actually bullshit?
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I struggle with how to objectively evaluate a cultural institution as monolithic as Beyonce. It almost feels like there is a message that if you don't back Queen B you are a horrible, racist, incel who wants to oppress women. If you're on the good team you love her, shut up and give her new album a glowing review.

At the end of the day this perception, real or otherwise shouldn't be a reason to love or hate her music. It makes me suspicious that her detractors are letting it blind them to her greatness while her cult misses her albums' shortcomings.

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losthighway wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:33 am I struggle with how to objectively evaluate a cultural institution as monolithic as Beyonce.
I got you, fam. Billionaires, black or white, should not be creating music. One good song, she has one good song - "Love on Top."

Next year she'll have a diamond encrusted folding table for her harsh noise phase.
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losthighway wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:33 am I struggle with how to objectively evaluate a cultural institution as monolithic as Beyonce. It almost feels like there is a message that if you don't back Queen B you are a horrible, racist, incel who wants to oppress women. If you're on the good team you love her, shut up and give her new album a glowing review.

At the end of the day this perception, real or otherwise shouldn't be a reason to love or hate her music. It makes me suspicious that her detractors are letting it blind them to her greatness while her cult misses her albums' shortcomings.
I think that the popularity of Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and other performers who operate on that scale has a lot in common with things like professional and college sports in that many people seem to enjoy being fans of it in company with others as much as they enjoy the thing itself. It's fun to get excited about things. I don't find that to be wrong exactly -- communal experiences are important-- but it feels to me like a odd way to engage with music. That said, I've certainly gone to concerts (and baseball games, etc) because friends were really excited about whatever it was and I wanted to socialize.
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LuciousSandwich wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:17 pm I think that the popularity of Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and other performers who operate on that scale has a lot in common with things like professional and college sports in that many people seem to enjoy being fans of it in company with others as much as they enjoy the thing itself. It's fun to get excited about things. I don't find that to be wrong exactly -- communal experiences are important-- but it feels to me like a odd way to engage with music. That said, I've certainly gone to concerts (and baseball games, etc) because friends were really excited about whatever it was and I wanted to socialize.
Some of that, sure, and folded into that are the many thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of IG and TikToK posts that went up during and shortly after, which is, now, probably part of the communal thing you write about above.
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