TylerDeadPine wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 4:44 pm

cakes wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 4:18 pm

Kniferide wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 3:03 pm

Oh. I'm not really in the know about the FRFR thing except it seems like they are just PA cabs made to look like speaker cabs, and I don't fully understand the point of them, but I do not use IR stuff. I've usually just used a power amp, like that little Furman, or my Peavey Classic 60 tube power amp with a Rusty Box or Boxidizer. I've use a TC electronics BAM 200 strapped to my pedal board too and just plugged into a cab. It is the closest thing to just buying a small class D amp in a box that is neutral sounding. You could mount one to the back of a cab easilly and it's like $120

They are essentially PA speakers. The problem with using them, in my experience, is it feels like there's a wall between you are your amp. The Tonex Cab has a feature on it to dial back in the room with some EQ curve, but it's still not quite there. It's a single, flat range 12" speaker. The Fender Tonemaster gets pretty close like the Tonex. But again, it feels synthetic next to a traditional cabinet. They are good if you use modelers strait into a board and need on stage monitoring. I don't think it's worth having a flat response that sounds like the amp is in another space, while you get to pick your IRs for a sound... just use the real speakers, IMO. So, that's where I'm getting at. Modeling drive pedals and amps is great, they sound amazing through traditional cabs. I can mount class Ds to cabs all day, but I'm really curious as to why there aren't options for powered cabs with traditional speakers. Would it be cool to have four 6L6 tubes powering your speakers? Or, wouldn't it be great if you had a cab that is powered that you just stick your amp modeler in, bypassing the need to carry a small power amp, and not having to deal with the issues of FRFR? I dunno, just seems to be the best of both worlds to me and it got me thinking why this hasn't been done before. Powered speakers is not a new idea.

Preamp circuitry vs. development of a new sku for a still relatively niche use case. Plus making cabs heavier is usually opposite the goal.

cakes wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 7:22 pm

TylerDeadPine wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 4:44 pm

cakes wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 4:18 pm

They are essentially PA speakers. The problem with using them, in my experience, is it feels like there's a wall between you are your amp. The Tonex Cab has a feature on it to dial back in the room with some EQ curve, but it's still not quite there. It's a single, flat range 12" speaker. The Fender Tonemaster gets pretty close like the Tonex. But again, it feels synthetic next to a traditional cabinet. They are good if you use modelers strait into a board and need on stage monitoring. I don't think it's worth having a flat response that sounds like the amp is in another space, while you get to pick your IRs for a sound... just use the real speakers, IMO. So, that's where I'm getting at. Modeling drive pedals and amps is great, they sound amazing through traditional cabs. I can mount class Ds to cabs all day, but I'm really curious as to why there aren't options for powered cabs with traditional speakers. Would it be cool to have four 6L6 tubes powering your speakers? Or, wouldn't it be great if you had a cab that is powered that you just stick your amp modeler in, bypassing the need to carry a small power amp, and not having to deal with the issues of FRFR? I dunno, just seems to be the best of both worlds to me and it got me thinking why this hasn't been done before. Powered speakers is not a new idea.

Preamp circuitry vs. development of a new sku for a still relatively niche use case. Plus making cabs heavier is usually opposite the goal.

Would it though? People buy combo amps. A class D power amp weighs close to 2 lbs. Is it niche? Probably? Though, I would argue the amount of content and threads created around fixing FRFR problems and trying to find a cabinet and a pedalboard power amp are pretty thick on the internet, I'm not really convinced that it's that niche. There's plenty of niche equipment out there, too. But this is probably the answer here.

cakes wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 11:22 am Now that's a quality answer, thank you.

Funny, I had done a search and came across the Line 6 PowerCab CL 112 and 212, which is pretty much what I was looking for. Its not FRFR, but has optional speaker voicing? I dunno, it's a little confusing. Looking more on it. Seems like it came out only a few months ago.

Reading the manual on it, there is an admission that FRFR isn't a great solution for amp in the room sound as a reasoning for this product.

TylerDeadPine wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 12:55 pm

cakes wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 11:22 am Now that's a quality answer, thank you.

Funny, I had done a search and came across the Line 6 PowerCab CL 112 and 212, which is pretty much what I was looking for. Its not FRFR, but has optional speaker voicing? I dunno, it's a little confusing. Looking more on it. Seems like it came out only a few months ago.

Reading the manual on it, there is an admission that FRFR isn't a great solution for amp in the room sound as a reasoning for this product.

I'm happy to be wrong!

I just know why I have two powered speaker cabinet prototypes that didn't get approved to release.

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Kniferide wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 11:34 am can you use a regular oven to bake tape? Like how hot can tape get safely. I have a buncha of 1/2" that is really terrible sticky flakey but I don't have a dehydrator.