Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:Louisville is something of a Top 10 pretender itself.

Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:All pleasantries aside, I have to say that you mid-major fans really have some severe delusions of grandeur.

Hey, Louisville is building a nice little program. Louisville loses LeFors and Shelton, but brings back Brohm and Bush. Reloading (as opposed to rebuilding) is the sign of a good program. But please don't confuse Louisville with the top tier SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC and Pac-10 schools of the world.

By the way, good luck in the Big East. I mean it. But one thing: I wouldn't be holding out the Big East as some sort of measuring stick of true greatness. The Big East already lost its two best programs in Miami-FL and Virginia Tech. In addition, Boston College is almost always seemingly ready to bolt, which I guess makes BC the Bobby Petrino of college football programs.

Retract at your leisure, Bradley.

Until Louisville whupped the Mountaineers last night, the Big East had three undefeated teams, two ranked in the top 5 (only the Big 10 can match that boast), with Pittsburgh at a very respectable 6-2. If the Cards can win out, they will be playing for the national championship. And they will have accomplished this feat without the services of their best player, Michael Bush.

Next up: the Scarlet Knights. Go Cards!

Neither of these teams that I saw playing the college fooball last night would stand a chance against Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, USC. Hell, i think Iowa or Illinois could probably whip them. Arizona State could probably whip them.

And Louisville looked OK, but WV handed them the game. The turnovers were unbelieveble. Sandlot fooball.

Hey Brett Eugene Ralph, how you doin'? My stepdad was at the game last night, I was watching at a bar in Brooklyn. Good times.

the$inmusicisallmine wrote:Neither of these teams that I saw playing the college fooball last night would stand a chance against Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, USC. Hell, i think Iowa or Illinois could probably whip them. Arizona State could probably whip them.

And Louisville looked OK, but WV handed them the game. The turnovers were unbelieveble. Sandlot fooball.

Penn State? Illinois? You're out of your mind! Notre Dame is not that good. And Iowa couldn't even beat Indiana this year! I agree that Louisville is untested--thus far--against the class of the Big 10 and the Pac 10, but I think that trouncing Miami and beating West Virginia handily is a fine start. Time will show the wiser, my friend.

Iowa!

the$inmusicisallmine wrote:Neither of these teams that I saw playing the college fooball last night would stand a chance against Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, USC. Hell, i think Iowa or Illinois could probably whip them. Arizona State could probably whip them.

And Louisville looked OK, but WV handed them the game. The turnovers were unbelieveble. Sandlot fooball.

Are you now putting Iowa and Illinois in the same teir of the Big 10? Say it ain't so!

I think this year the Big East can actually contend with other power conferences. Cincinatti stuck around against OSU for a half, Syracuse beat up on Illinois and gave Iowa a run for their money. They're definitely a better conference than the ACC this year and probably even the Pac 10.

I'm looking foreward to seeing both WVU and Louisville play against a team with a defense like Rutgers.

Also, Pat White cannot throw the ball for shit. His completions almost always were to recievers running back towards him, or to wide open recievers that had to wait for the ball to get there.

the$inmusicisallmine wrote:Neither of these teams that I saw playing the college fooball last night would stand a chance against Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, USC. Hell, i think Iowa or Illinois could probably whip them. Arizona State could probably whip them.

This is precisely the problem with college football. No one knows who would beat who on any given day, and it isn't fair for the best teams to be judged by so-called experts in conjunction with sme computer calculations.
I get tired of the debate along the lines of I think team A is better than team B because they outscore their opponents by a greater margin. Or the equally meaningless team A is better than team B because they dominate their opponents more. The WVU-LOU game last night proves these to be fallacious. WVU had clearly dominated their opponents throughout the year to a greater extent than Louisville had. In fact, WVU had only trailed for something like a 1 or 2 minutes all year (this is what they said during the game). All this meant was that they were untested and when they got into a competitive game, it ended up not being so competitive.
Every team has a different style. Some teams blow people out (mid to late 90's Nebraska), some teams hang around and beat you at the end (most recent Ohio State and Michigan championships).
If Louisville or Rutgers does go undefeated, I doubt they will let them play for the title if they can avoid it. They'll try to insert whatever bigger conference 1 loss team they can.
That is why they need a playoff. You win all your games and you don't get a chance. In what other sport would this scenario even make sense?

Frankly, UL lacks the athleticism needed to play with the big boys. WVU, as well. That said, LU and WVU do have some narrowly represented examples of prime time talent and, if this year's Big East, when compared to the rest of D1 ball, any undefeated team from the conference deserves to play for all the marbles against UM/OSU.

Brian Brohm is the real thing, the actual item. The Cardinal coaching staff is solid. I like them.

Bring on 11/18 and then the Glendale Gambit.

College football rules all else.

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:Iowa!

Quick!

Name another college football program that has been to four consecutive January bowl games!

Iowa has lost to Indiana and Northwestern this year. Expert analysts call this a "down year". Of course, they'll probably still go to a great bowl game in San Antonio.

All programs should have such down years.

But to the specific question at hand -- the Big East, you are not a strong swimmer. That Louisville/West Virginia game was supposedly the class of the conference, and it was a friggin' abortion. Anyone who honestly believes that Louisville (that defense!) is the third best team in the country, or that the third best team in the country could even come from a sally conference like the Big East, is really nothing more than an deluded and excitement-drunk homer.

I mean, I saw the lack of speed and athleticism in West Virginia and Louisville with my eyes. They're closer to a novelty act like Boise State than they are to a complete football team like Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, USC, Cal or any one of a number of SEC teams.

And, really, it says something to me when a conference's marquee matchup is pushed to a Thursday night broadcast.

Hey, pity the poor SEC. Many of those teams are awesome, but the best team in that conference could emerge with two losses. Other than Florida, no team in that conference has a prayer of playing in the national championship game despite the fact that a half dozen of these SEC teams would absolutely prison rape a pretender like Louisville.

Ohio State/Michigan vs. the SEC champ. This should be your national championship game. Anything else is just the outcome of a superdumb system -- one that could actually put Boise State in a BCS game.

Boise State!

In a BCS game!

Ha ha!

No flaws in this system!

Brett Ralph, perhaps the Big East one day will produce a game that displays the talent level, tradition and electricity of any given game in Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Happy Valley, Iowa City or East Lansing.

Perhaps you will enjoy this game with your grandchildren.

Salut! SEC! The greatest football conference.

Tennessee
Florida
LSU
Arkansas
Alabama
South Carolina
Even Vanderbilt
... Georgia?

UT loss last night was unbearable. I can't wait for Ainge's time to be up. Fatass Fuckin' Fulmer.

Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:Iowa!

Quick!

Name another college football program that has been to four consecutive January bowl games!

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Perhaps you will enjoy this game with your grandchildren.

Salut BRW! Always the reading of mind, with a better vocabulary than mine. It is like mine own ghost writer. Salut!

edit: 500th post. fack!