Curry Pervert wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:03 pm
kokorodoko wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:18 am
... but it holds Ukraine as the aggressing party.
For many Russian speaking Ukrainians they are.
Would this include those currently serving in the armed forces? Or those
who have switched from Russian to Ukrainian since 2022? Or any of the former residents of Mariupol, Bakhmut and Avdiivka?
Russian is spoken all across the country. You can hear Russian everyday in Kyiv. The current president became famous in his own Russian language, only started speaking Ukrainian as president. The language isn't banned or its speakers persecuted.
If you're referring to the Donbas events, the significance there isn't that they are Russian-speaking. "Russian-speaking" Kharkiv next door had its own Maidan rally. And
as you can see, those regions still have many Ukrainian speakers. Also look at
this map of the independence referendum - not people dragged screaming into a non-Russian Ukraine.
Curry Pervert wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:03 pm
Dude, I laid out plenty much further back in this thread.
That's unfortunate, because I hoped you had at least dropped the most obviously ridiculous parts, such as
Here, a short text dealing with the biolabs thing. Dated June 2022, mere months after the claim first surfaced - or, at least, where I know it from, when bald Russian guy was waving a paper around in the UN assembly, just about when the Russian army was in Bucha, talking about biolabs. Four months later, all done with. Easily found with one search. But here 2 years later, 2.5 years into full-scale invasion, you're still on the biolabs.
June 2022 is also just around when the claim was first spotted that Pentagon had "admitted" to these biolabs (as you also claimed earlier).
This is allegedly the original source of that claim. Looks reliable, yes.
If this is the level you're at, it makes me wonder if you're at all receptive to information. The parts of your argument are stupid each in themselves, but they don't even add up to anything intelligible. You believe in a lot of nonsense that you base off of other nonsense. Quite like the way Russian propaganda is structured.
And if it is true as Ortho says - I trust he is a greater RT conaisseur than I am - that all or most of your points come directly from Russian state TV (or has been picked up and circulated by the same, both can probably happen), then you have been circulating a battery of tailor-made Russian propaganda for years. Most impressive. Kremlin pays people to do this all day, but volunteers like you play a vital role too.
To stay on that last point, if there is any sincerity in your concern for Russian-speaking Ukrainians, or any Ukrainians, then you will drop all this immediately. Forget what you think you know and start over. Anything you want to know, refer to people who live in the area, who were alive during when whatever happened, who participated in rallies or knows someone who did... there are plenty of 'em, online and offline. Accept their explanations, go from here. But give up this idea that you are in the know against "State Department" sheeple, and that you're sitting on truth-nukes that are going to blow us all away. There are none such, you're playing a one-man game.
Unless you do this, don't talk about Ukraine. You're causing active harm. You must also recognize that any explanation premised on "provocation" or "proxy war" is one that will favour Russia - apart from the fact that it, too, isn't based one anything credible.
But maybe first of all just learn to fucking process information. I wouldn't blame anyone for being confused about Maidan, and still less about the Donbas events, but fucking biolabs?
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